What is Wrong With Cam Newton and Will He Fix It In the Playoffs?

[GoobyPls]

3 hours ago, Cartel de Carolina said:

Your thinking doesn't make sense. 

We need to be doing what ever gives us the highest % chance to move the chains / score points. 

Stupid to throw deep when the D is covering deep leaving the underneath open. It's also stupid to throw underneath when the D is covering that leaving the deep routes open. 

You want plays that attack every part of the field ala play #4 in the break down I provided a few posts up. No surprise that play had the most stuff open. In such plays you attack what the D is giving you (which is usually going to be short stuff until you make them cover it). 

 

My thinking makes the most sense 

Cam is not and will never be a dink and dunk QB, his greatest strength as a passer is his deep ball and now this season we have completely gone away from that.

[Cartel de Carolina]

Just now, GoobyPls said:

My thinking makes the most sense 

Cam is not and will never be a dink and dunk QB, his greatest strength as a passer is his deep ball and now this season we have completely gone away from that.

Got stats to back that up?

Let's look at his completion % for all short, medium, and long passes. 

Pretty sure someone posted this before and his highest completion % was for the short passes. 

This is a false narrative that has circulated. 

Cam is not the most consistent passer and will hit and miss all the passes. Short, medium and long. 

Your thinking is akin to trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. 

Doesn't matter how good of a deep passer Cam is if the D is covering the deep routes. 

You take what the D gives you. This isn't rocket science. 

[GoobyPls]

19 minutes ago, Cartel de Carolina said:

Got stats to back that up?

Let's look at his completion % for all short, medium, and long passes. 

Pretty sure someone posted this before and his highest completion % was for the short passes. 

This is a false narrative that has circulated. 

Cam is not the most consistent passer and will hit and miss all the passes. Short, medium and long. 

Your thinking is akin to trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. 

Doesn't matter how good of a deep passer Cam is if the D is covering the deep routes. 

You take what the D gives you. This isn't rocket science. 

Are you really using completion% as your argument for short passes? You can’t be serious 

 

Every fuking QB has a higher comp% on short passes

 

This is not a false narrative, since 2011 Cam has constantly been at the bottom of the league when it comes to passes under 10 yards, and he’s been near the top  at passes longer than 30 yards. You don’t need to stats to see that just turn on a panthers game in the last 7 god damn years.

 

Its not rocket science that this new offense the coaches implemented this year isn’t working.

[Cartel de Carolina]

9 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Are you really using completion% as your argument for short passes? You can’t be serious 

 

Every fuking QB has a higher comp% on short passes

 

This is not a false narrative, since 2011 Cam has constantly been at the bottom of the league when it comes to passes under 10 yards, and he’s been near the top  at passes longer than 30 yards. You don’t need to stats to see that just turn on a panthers game in the last 7 god damn years.

 

Its not rocket science that this new offense the coaches implemented this year isn’t working.

If Cam completes 70% of his short passes and only 20% of deep passes why do you want him throwing more deep passes?

Also, why do you want Cam throwing deep into double coverage when the flats and underneath are left wide open?

Maybe you like 3 and outs?

Personally, I like to keep the chains moving gaining positive yards. 

I like to take the easiest and safest plays ie if the D is leaving the flats open abuse it. If the D is covering the underneath leaving the mid-deep open abuse it. 

Your logic escapes me. 

 

 

[AceBoogie]

32 minutes ago, Cartel de Carolina said:

If Cam completes 70% of his short passes and only 20% of deep passes why do you want him throwing more deep passes?

Also, why do you want Cam throwing deep into double coverage when the flats and underneath are left wide open?

Maybe you like 3 and outs?

Personally, I like to keep the chains moving gaining positive yards. 

I like to take the easiest and safest plays ie if the D is leaving the flats open abuse it. If the D is covering the underneath leaving the mid-deep open abuse it. 

Your logic escapes me. 

 

 

Completion percentage doesn’t tell you how accurate a qb is. 

[GoobyPls]

31 minutes ago, Cartel de Carolina said:

If Cam completes 70% of his short passes and only 20% of deep passes why do you want him throwing more deep passes?

Also, why do you want Cam throwing deep into double coverage when the flats and underneath are left wide open?

Maybe you like 3 and outs?

Personally, I like to keep the chains moving gaining positive yards. 

I like to take the easiest and safest plays ie if the D is leaving the flats open abuse it. If the D is covering the underneath leaving the mid-deep open abuse it. 

Your logic escapes me. 

 

 

Where did you get the 70/20 number????

 

I guess your purposely skipped the the part where I said Cam is near the bottom of the league in passes under 10 yards. But you want him to throw even more passes under 10 yards, do want to lose more games? Do you want our passing offense to continue this years path of ineptitude????

 

No one is saying to throw into double coverage, but Cam’s best seasons have come when he throws it deep

[Cartel de Carolina]

37 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Where did you get the 70/20 number????

 

I guess your purposely skipped the the part where I said Cam is near the bottom of the league in passes under 10 yards. But you want him to throw even more passes under 10 yards, do want to lose more games? Do you want our passing offense to continue this years path of ineptitude????

 

No one is saying to throw into double coverage, but Cam’s best seasons have come when he throws it deep

That was just an example. 

If his passes under 10 yards are completed at a higher rate than his passes of 20+ yards then your point about him being at the bottom mean little. 

I want us to move the chains and score more points. 

You do that by attacking the weak part of the field / defense. 

If the D is leaving the flats WIDE OPEN I want Cam to target them. 

If the D is covering the flats and underneath leaving the medium and deep routes open then I want Cam to target them. 

You are wanting him to do X without even factoring the defense. 

I do not care how we move the ball. Short, medium, long, pass, run etc. So long as we are marching up the field and scoring points. 

You must attack the weak part of D. 

If the D has 8+ men in the box I do not want to see HB inside run. 

If the D is playing 10 yards off the WR I want to see some quick out routes. 

If the D is sagging back on the deep routes I want to see some shallow drags, curls, in's, digs. 

If the D is playing close covering underneath I want to see some deep crosses, posts, deep curls, etc. 

If the D has a light box I want to see some runs. 

If the D is leaving the flats wide open I want to see some quick throws to the flats. 

 

 

[GoobyPls]

1 hour ago, Cartel de Carolina said:

That was just an example. 

If his passes under 10 yards are completed at a higher rate than his passes of 20+ yards then your point about him being at the bottom mean little. 

I want us to move the chains and score more points. 

You do that by attacking the weak part of the field / defense. 

If the D is leaving the flats WIDE OPEN I want Cam to target them. 

If the D is covering the flats and underneath leaving the medium and deep routes open then I want Cam to target them. 

You are wanting him to do X without even factoring the defense. 

I do not care how we move the ball. Short, medium, long, pass, run etc. So long as we are marching up the field and scoring points. 

You must attack the weak part of D. 

If the D has 8+ men in the box I do not want to see HB inside run. 

If the D is playing 10 yards off the WR I want to see some quick out routes. 

If the D is sagging back on the deep routes I want to see some shallow drags, curls, in's, digs. 

If the D is playing close covering underneath I want to see some deep crosses, posts, deep curls, etc. 

If the D has a light box I want to see some runs. 

If the D is leaving the flats wide open I want to see some quick throws to the flats. 

 

 

Every QB passes under 10 yards are  completed at a higher rate, is your skull that thick?  That doesn’t mean the offense is gonna flourishing 

I guess you like slamming your head against a brick wall, cause that’s what you want our offense to continue doing. Your pretty much saying you would take the 2017 checkdown offense over the 2015 explosive one

[Cartel de Carolina]

1 hour ago, GoobyPls said:

Every QB passes under 10 yards are  completed at a higher rate, is your skull that thick?  That doesn’t mean the offense is gonna flourishing 

I guess you like slamming your head against a brick wall, cause that’s what you want our offense to continue doing. Your pretty much saying you would take the 2017 checkdown offense over the 2015 explosive one

We do not have a check down offense. 

I broke down the ATL first 6 incompletions to prove it. 

Cam completely ignores the flats, shallow drags, and delayed routes. 

He holds on to the ball and tries to force it up field. 

As I mentioned, just because the few passes we complete happen to be short doesn't mean that is our O or by design. They are by consequence of the D taking away the deep stuff resulting in incompletions and or interceptions. 

We would be a dink and dunk offense IF Cam looked to hit those short routes FIRST and was getting rid of the ball quicker. 

I want our offense to attack the weak parts of the D. 

In the ATL game, the Falcons were completely ignoring the flats, drags, and delayed routes. 

Instead of attacking these, Cam looks deep and tries to force passes into coverage. 

No clue where you are getting these thoughts or impressions. 

 

[ickmule]

The sale of the team is bothering Cam more than people want to admit.  That’s his problem right now. If you worked and cared for a man as much as some of these players do JR it would affect you too and be on your mind a great deal. 

[ickmule]

3 hours ago, Cartel de Carolina said:

We do not have a check down offense. 

I broke down the ATL first 6 incompletions to prove it. 

Cam completely ignores the flats, shallow drags, and delayed routes. 

He holds on to the ball and tries to force it up field. 

As I mentioned, just because the few passes we complete happen to be short doesn't mean that is our O or by design. They are by consequence of the D taking away the deep stuff resulting in incompletions and or interceptions. 

We would be a dink and dunk offense IF Cam looked to hit those short routes FIRST and was getting rid of the ball quicker. 

I want our offense to attack the weak parts of the D. 

In the ATL game, the Falcons were completely ignoring the flats, drags, and delayed routes. 

Instead of attacking these, Cam looks deep and tries to force passes into coverage. 

No clue where you are getting these thoughts or impressions. 

 

This is what prevents Cam from becoming elite. Some people can’t see or admit this. 

[Cartel de Carolina]

21 minutes ago, ickmule said:

This is what prevents Cam from becoming elite. Some people can’t see or admit this. 

Easy. Coaching. 

Had he had a good OC. The OC would have told him  "Cam, ATL is completely ignoring the flat routes and delayed routes. I want you to make them pay for it."

Also, a good OC would have more plays called #4 that attacked every level and area of the field. 

Also, a good OC who doesn't calls HB inside runs on 1st down against stacked boxes. 

etc etc. 

[Cartel de Carolina]

*Like #4

[Cartel de Carolina]

Also, a OC that when he sees CBs playing 10 yards off the WRs to call some 5 yard out routes and smoke screens.