What is Wrong With Cam Newton and Will He Fix It In the Playoffs?

[Salisburysean98]

On 1/2/2018 at 10:00 AM, *FreeFua* said:

Let’s swap WR’s with one of these other NFC playoff teams and see how far they make it.

I guess it's time to get that big time receiver in the draft for Cam, oh wait... Everyone wants Defense. A safety, nevermind! Carry on! Safety is a need, Left Tackle has always been a need. Let's hope Daryl Williams can build on his solid 2017 season. Gotta resign Norwell and Star somehow. Need a true Center for the future, Larsen is alright but I don't see him as a future 10 year stud for us. Moton is the one I'm really intrigued with, can he play Left Guard if Norwell walks? 2018 Is already appearing to be a big fat poo storm. New ownership,  probably will stick with Hurney and god knows what he'll do. He doesn't have the big man in his ear telling him to resign this guy and that guy. I'm just rambling on but I really hope this team values Cam and knows he needs weapons.

 

How long have we watched guys like Aaron Rodgers showcase Davante Adams, Jordy Nelson, and Randall Cobb? While our Quarterback is stuck with Devin Funchess * Can be a star in this league with someone to threaten the Defense down the field. Curtis Samuel- Beginning of his rookie season the jury is still very much out, I like him but he's only a slot type. Got banged up through college and now he's getting banged up pretty good in the pros. Byrd- Love the kid but he's a slot receiver,  shown promise but like Samuel he's getting banged up. Bersin??? Tha ***? Should have been cut for good 3 or 4 seasons ago. Who else? I'm getting tired of this crap, we have a pretty solid line for Cam. Now we may lose Norwell and still rest on our laurels to only not get a receiver he needs in Calvin Ridley. Ridley with Samuel and Byrd mixing up the slot roles would be heavenly. 

 

I rant and rave each time I hear the word receivers, we've had chances. 

[Cartel de Carolina]

3 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

Teams always try to take the deep routes away, this isn’t some new discovery teams figured out this season.

 

Both the coaches and front office came up with this plan to make our offense more of checkdown short throws offense, they have been saying that since April. So yes we are running more of a dink and dunk offense especially for our standards 

That is why it's even more amazing (troubling) that Cam / Shula / Ron do not look to attacking the weaknesses of the D or what they give us. 

What someone says means little. 

We merely have to go to the tape to see the reality of the situation. 

And the reality of the situation is we are not a dink and dunk team by design. 

Teams take away the deep routes and leave the flats wide open and also delay routes wide open. 

Cam not looking to attack short (dink/dunk) looks deep and either forces a bad pass into coverage or holds on to the ball too long and the line breaks down forcing him to scramble and either throw the ball away or again try a forced pass. 

The only time we actually look to pass short by design is on CMC plays when that is the main / sometimes only read. 

It merely appears we run a dink and dunk offense because of how infrequent we complete long passes and the plays solely designed for CMC. 

70% of our plays are going deep and Cam is looking to hit them. 

 

[GoobyPls]

2 hours ago, Cartel de Carolina said:

That is why it's even more amazing (troubling) that Cam / Shula / Ron do not look to attacking the weaknesses of the D or what they give us. 

What someone says means little. 

We merely have to go to the tape to see the reality of the situation. 

And the reality of the situation is we are not a dink and dunk team by design. 

Teams take away the deep routes and leave the flats wide open and also delay routes wide open. 

Cam not looking to attack short (dink/dunk) looks deep and either forces a bad pass into coverage or holds on to the ball too long and the line breaks down forcing him to scramble and either throw the ball away or again try a forced pass. 

The only time we actually look to pass short by design is on CMC plays when that is the main / sometimes only read. 

It merely appears we run a dink and dunk offense because of how infrequent we complete long passes and the plays solely designed for CMC. 

70% of our plays are going deep and Cam is looking to hit them. 

 

Eh not really, every team has someone going deep in almost every play, but Funchess route tree this season (whose Cam’s main read) has been far from going deep. Even when KB was here we were running a ton of slants and and curls. This is a completely different offense than the one we have been running in the past seasons.

 

Also this whole Cam takes a long time has to do with the fact teams don’t respect our receivers so they play press man, jamming them at the line.

[Cartel de Carolina]

4 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

Eh not really, every team has someone going deep in almost every play, but Funchess route tree this season (whose Cam’s main read) has been far from going deep. Even when KB was here we were running a ton of slants and and curls. This is a completely different offense than the one we have been running in the past seasons.

 

Also this whole Cam takes a long time has to do with the fact teams don’t respect our receivers so they play press man, jamming them at the line.

I do not think you follow me. 

I want 1-2 routes going deep 80% of passing plays. I merely want them complimented with underneath routes (levels concepts / clear outs etc) a long with a route to the flat and or delayed release. I also want Cam to FIRST look to attack those short quick routes as that is usually what the D is going to give you. Why would a D cover or worry about the flats if we never attack that area of the field? 

There is a reason why our offense sucks and it is not due to Cam and the rest of the O players. This is all Shula's fault until we actually make appropriate changes in our offense scheme and Cam and the boys simply can not execute. 

Press man? Dude, ATL's CBs were playing 10 yards off the WRs. 

 

[Peppers90 NC]

Just now, Cartel de Carolina said:

I do not think you follow me. 

I want 1-2 routes going deep 80% of passing plays. I merely want them complimented with underneath routes (levels concepts / clear outs etc) a long with a route to the flat and or delayed release. I also want Cam to FIRST look to attack those short quick routes as that is usually what the D is going to give you. Why would a D cover or worry about the flats if we never attack that area of the field? 

There is a reason why our offense sucks and it is not due to Cam and the rest of the O players. This is all Shula's fault until we actually make appropriate changes in our offense scheme and Cam and the boys simply can not execute. 

Press man? Dude, ATL's CBs were playing 10 yards off the WRs. 

 

you dont notice the underneath crossing route accompanied by the deep routes? just because the ball isnt thrown there doesnt mean it doesnt happen.

[Anybodyhome]

Back to the original question: What is wrong with Cam Newton?

1. He gets down on himself and starts moping- it's obvious to anyone watching. This, in turn effects everything he's doing on the field.

2. His mechanics suck, he's never learned proper technique and it really costs him when he gets pressured.

Neither of these have been fixed in 5 years and I wouldn't expect to see a change for the rest of his career.

[Cartel de Carolina]

1 minute ago, Peppers90 NC said:

you dont notice the underneath crossing route accompanied by the deep routes? just because the ball isnt thrown there doesnt mean it doesnt happen.

No where did I say we didn't have those. I simply said what I wanted as in a total scheme / picture. 

Now, let's look at the first 7 plays and see how many underneath level concepts we used. 

1st Play

This was a pure spacing play so all short digs. No deep routes. 

2nd Play

Two verticals. Two delayed flats. One delayed HB in/out. 

No underneath route to open up the deep routes. They were verticals so could'nt of had a levels concept to begin with but still. For the record I really dislike having two vertical routes on the same play. It is by far the lowest % route in football. 

3rd Play

3 slants. 1 flat route. 1 delayed HB release. 

No real levels concept here. Maybe the delayed HB route but the slant was already breaking by then. 

4th Play

1 shallow drag. 1 flat route. 1 post. 1 post that turns into a vertical. 

This is the first true levels concept play I see. I love these types of plays. Hard for a D to cover all this. 

5th Play

1 out route. 1 curl/deep in?. 1 curl. 2 delayed routes. 

Here we have a levels concept albeit delayed. The deep curl and delayed curl compliment each other. 

6th Play

3 deep curls. 1 delayed HB release. 

No real levels concept here. Well, maybe if you consider the HB delayed release. 

Recap / Notes

1. Only one true levels concept / shallow drag used. 

2. Flats and delayed routes are left wide open on nearly all plays

3. CBs are playing way off the outside WRs 

 

[Cartel de Carolina]

https://www.derp/2018/1/3/16841784/panthers-film-room-cam-newton-poor-start-against-falcons-product-of-poor-supporting-talent

[raleigh-panther]

On 1/2/2018 at 6:46 AM, Hoenheim said:

I'm very worried about his passing ability going forward. He has absolutely 0 consistency passing the ball well and we would have to play 4 games in a row well to win the Super Bowl. 

And something of a broader question, but whats wrong with the team? When things arent going well early in the game I notice everyone is sagging their shoulders and look defeated throughout the  whole game even though we may only be behind a score or two and are almost always in striking distance. There's just something intangible about this team that I feel like they are missing, there is no swagger or mojo from 2015 and it looks like they could care less if we win or lose in the playoffs from their behavior and expression, despite what they may say in press conferences.

 

Perhaps we can ship in Antonio Brown and Todd Gurley and Sean McVay

we can talk about confidence and swagger all we want but if the talent isn't there, it isn't there and that applies to players and coaches

[usmcpanthers]

http://start.att.net/player/category/sports/article/fox_sports-cris_carter_on_cam_newton_he_needs_to_win_the_supe-ndn

 

What we suspected all along, media wont give Cam a break until he wins a superbowl

[GoobyPls]

6 hours ago, Cartel de Carolina said:

I do not think you follow me. 

I want 1-2 routes going deep 80% of passing plays. I merely want them complimented with underneath routes (levels concepts / clear outs etc) a long with a route to the flat and or delayed release. I also want Cam to FIRST look to attack those short quick routes as that is usually what the D is going to give you. Why would a D cover or worry about the flats if we never attack that area of the field? 

There is a reason why our offense sucks and it is not due to Cam and the rest of the O players. This is all Shula's fault until we actually make appropriate changes in our offense scheme and Cam and the boys simply can not execute. 

Press man? Dude, ATL's CBs were playing 10 yards off the WRs. 

 

I don’t think you’re following me

 

We need to get away from this checkdown offense, we need to go back to 2015 when we were throwing deep every other pass. If teams don’t respect the deep pass our offense can’t function, Cam isn’t Drew Brees.

[Darvinsun]

8 hours ago, Cartel de Carolina said:

I do not think you follow me. 

I want 1-2 routes going deep 80% of passing plays. I merely want them complimented with underneath routes (levels concepts / clear outs etc) a long with a route to the flat and or delayed release. I also want Cam to FIRST look to attack those short quick routes as that is usually what the D is going to give you. Why would a D cover or worry about the flats if we never attack that area of the field? 

There is a reason why our offense sucks and it is not due to Cam and the rest of the O players. This is all Shula's fault until we actually make appropriate changes in our offense scheme and Cam and the boys simply can not execute. 

Press man? Dude, ATL's CBs were playing 10 yards off the WRs. 

 

We like to run these bunch up wr plays that only contest the play field. I hate seeing those plays spread the wr out so their is already some separation.. If we were going to use the falcon game as a soft game should have activated Frazier duke and Armagh and saw how they would play against a hungry team. Bersion, Funchess , Shepard should have been resting. ..

[Cartel de Carolina]

3 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

I don’t think you’re following me

 

We need to get away from this checkdown offense, we need to go back to 2015 when we were throwing deep every other pass. If teams don’t respect the deep pass our offense can’t function, Cam isn’t Drew Brees.

Your thinking doesn't make sense. 

We need to be doing what ever gives us the highest % chance to move the chains / score points. 

Stupid to throw deep when the D is covering deep leaving the underneath open. It's also stupid to throw underneath when the D is covering that leaving the deep routes open. 

You want plays that attack every part of the field ala play #4 in the break down I provided a few posts up. No surprise that play had the most stuff open. In such plays you attack what the D is giving you (which is usually going to be short stuff until you make them cover it). 

 

[Cartel de Carolina]

1 hour ago, Darvinsun said:

We like to run these bunch up wr plays that only contest the play field. I hate seeing those plays spread the wr out so their is already some separation.. If we were going to use the falcon game as a soft game should have activated Frazier duke and Armagh and saw how they would play against a hungry team. Bersion, Funchess , Shepard should have been resting. ..

Bunch formation isn't the problem assuming they all have different complimentary routes ie 1 flat, 1 corner, 1 drag or dig. 

The problem is Cam and Shula not looking to hit the short stuff that is usually wide open.