What is Wrong With Cam Newton and Will He Fix It In the Playoffs?

[AU-panther]

On ‎1‎/‎2‎/‎2018 at 10:00 AM, *FreeFua* said:

Let’s swap WR’s with one of these other NFC playoff teams and see how far they make it.

If Brees and Payton had our WRs, RBs, and TE's how much better or worse would their offense be?

If Shula and Cam had their WRs, RBs, and TE's how much better or worse would our offense be?

I would guess their offense would still be better then ours.

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[Darvinsun]

Cam has his flaws he is not perfect but this thing about throwing receivers open is laughable he used to do it before the shoulder injury ..what do you call perfect ball placement when the defender is right on the wrs hip.They are not open they are covered. As far as his mechanics yes they are not like everyone else and that is part why he is so good. With pressure in his face he throws perfect strikes with awkward mechanics. If he had sound mechanics he wouldn' be able to that. With the line he has had to play with those what you call bad mechanics have made him deadly at times. It is one reason why panthers are never really out of a game. He is special accepted. Now get him at least 1 good wr and see what happens...i believe Byrd and Samuel can be it they just got to stay healthy. Cam has no wr he knows it and just tried to hard.

[Cartel de Carolina]

On 1/2/2018 at 9:46 PM, Hoenheim said:

I'm very worried about his passing ability going forward. He has absolutely 0 consistency passing the ball well and we would have to play 4 games in a row well to win the Super Bowl. 

And something of a broader question, but whats wrong with the team? When things arent going well early in the game I notice everyone is sagging their shoulders and look defeated throughout the  whole game even though we may only be behind a score or two and are almost always in striking distance. There's just something intangible about this team that I feel like they are missing, there is no swagger or mojo from 2015 and it looks like they could care less if we win or lose in the playoffs from their behavior and expression, despite what they may say in press conferences.

 

Hard to have passing consistency when your OC is a lame duck. 

Not even Rogers or Brady is going to be doing so hot if they look to attack deep every time when the D is covering deep and giving away the short stuff that our lame duck OC refuses to attack. 

[Cartel de Carolina]

On 1/2/2018 at 10:06 PM, GoobyPls said:

Also this whole dink and dunk offense has to be scraped ASAP, Cam next season has to come out throwing deep down field. We are wasting a once in a generation arm talent and making him play like Alex Smith

We have a dink and dunk offense? 

You take what the offense gives you. 

You don't throw deep down field when there are two safeties back with LBs also drifting back taking away the deep pass. 

[beastson]

1 minute ago, Cartel de Carolina said:

We have a dink and dunk offense? 

You take what the offense gives you. 

You don't throw deep down field when there are two safeties back with LBs also drifting back taking away the deep pass. 

Yeah we do and the strong safety most of the time against us has been in the box for the run.

[Cartel de Carolina]

5 minutes ago, beastson said:

Yeah we do and the strong safety most of the time against us has been in the box for the run.

We do not have a dink and dunk offense. If we did we would be moving the changes more. Shula likes to call deep vertical routes. We rarely utilize shallow drags, short digs, flats, etc. 

Go look at the thread with the first 8 incompletions. The the D is giving us the short shallow stuff. The flats are particularly open every play as well as the CBs playing 10 yards of the WRs giving us an easy quick 5 yard out route. 

To run a dink and dunk offense the ball needs to be coming out within 3 seconds consistently. Cam is not looking short first and is holding on to the ball longer than 2-3 seconds. 

 

[Cartel de Carolina]

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1st Play: 

Bottom screen flats wide open

2nd Play: 

Delayed bottom screen flat wide open. CMC is open initially. 

This play is blown up by pressure. Cam still has 3 seconds though. 

3rd Play:

Slant was open for a second. CMC was open. Cam messed up the timing. Ball was out in 3 seconds. 

4th Play: 

Flat and shallow drag wide open. 

5th Play:

Delayed TE release wide open

6th Play:

Screen play

7th Play:

3 verticals. Delayed HC release wide open

Notice a pattern here?

Flats and delayed routes usually open. Also, CBs are playing 10 yards off our WRs. Need to try some quick out routes. Minimal use of shallow drags. 

A good OC is going to train and instruct the QB to know these and look for them. 

 

 

[beastson]

8 minutes ago, Cartel de Carolina said:

We do not have a dink and dunk offense. If we did we would be moving the changes more. Shula likes to call deep vertical routes. We rarely utilize shallow drags, short digs, flats, etc. 

Go look at the thread with the first 8 incompletions. The the D is giving us the short shallow stuff. The flats are particularly open every play as well as the CBs playing 10 yards of the WRs giving us an easy quick 5 yard out route. 

To run a dink and dunk offense the ball needs to be coming out within 3 seconds consistently. Cam is not looking short first and is holding on to the ball longer than 2-3 seconds. 

 

A lot of the routes are 10-12 yard routes. Defenses knew our deep passing attack in the past and our routes were consistently 20+. That didnt stop anything. With the addition of CMC, Shula put an emphasis on shortening the routes. Falcons run a cover 3 zone, that's what they're designed to do is take away the deep ball and stop the run. Not all defenses run cover 3

[Darvinsun]

We need no OC just play backyard football

[GoobyPls]

31 minutes ago, Cartel de Carolina said:

We have a dink and dunk offense? 

You take what the offense gives you. 

You don't throw deep down field when there are two safeties back with LBs also drifting back taking away the deep pass. 

We only completed two passes where the ball travled over 40 yards this season TWO. Cam had the lowest yards per completion of his entire career. We threw it more to RB this season than ever before, we had more screen passes this season than in the previous two seasons combined 

 

It may not be New Orleans dink and dunk but the it’s up there, they are trying to force Cam into something he’s not

[Cartel de Carolina]

21 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

We only completed two passes where the ball travled over 40 yards this season TWO. Cam had the lowest yards per completion of his entire career. We threw it more to RB this season than ever before, we had more screen passes this season than in the previous two seasons combined 

 

It may not be New Orleans dink and dunk but the it’s up there, they are trying to force Cam into something he’s not

Not by design. 

If you run a dink and dunk offense, common sense says you look short to long and aim to have the ball out of your hands in 2-3 seconds. 

The D is taking away the deep routes so obviously those completions will be few and far between. Especially considering Cam doesn't make them cover short. 

Go look at the breakdown of the ATL game. Flats and delayed routes are usually wide open. If we run a dink and dunk offense by design then Cam would have been attacking those routes. 

[AU-panther]

50 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

We only completed two passes where the ball travled over 40 yards this season TWO. Cam had the lowest yards per completion of his entire career. We threw it more to RB this season than ever before, we had more screen passes this season than in the previous two seasons combined 

 

It may not be New Orleans dink and dunk but the it’s up there, they are trying to force Cam into something he’s not

I didn't mind the addition of the short passing attack but it came at the expense of our deep passing attack too much. 

Based on my rough math from http://www.espn.com/nfl/team/stats/_/name/car we threw the ball roughly 55% of the time in 2016 but only 51% in 2016.  So not only did we throw less we threw short more, basically those short passes came at the expense of our deep attack, which as Gooby said came at the expense of what Cam historically does best.

Maybe if we would have increase our short passing by running less the outcome would have been somewhat different.  I would love to see a statistical break down of number of passes by distance compared to last year, but I'm too lazy to look that up.  We see determined to be a running team even if it isn't what we do best.

[GoobyPls]

2 hours ago, Cartel de Carolina said:

Not by design. 

If you run a dink and dunk offense, common sense says you look short to long and aim to have the ball out of your hands in 2-3 seconds. 

The D is taking away the deep routes so obviously those completions will be few and far between. Especially considering Cam doesn't make them cover short. 

Go look at the breakdown of the ATL game. Flats and delayed routes are usually wide open. If we run a dink and dunk offense by design then Cam would have been attacking those routes. 

Teams always try to take the deep routes away, this isn’t some new discovery teams figured out this season.

 

Both the coaches and front office came up with this plan to make our offense more of checkdown short throws offense, they have been saying that since April. So yes we are running more of a dink and dunk offense especially for our standards