So how is the Panthers GM search going?

[Inimicus]

3 hours ago, panthers55 said:

The whole let's look for a new GM decision was made when Richardson figured he would be here until he dies. Given he is stepping down to limit the huge scandal, this changes everything. Who would approve this new GM? It wouldn't be a CEO who is an employee it would be the new owner. Her job as CEO is run the day to day operations not interview and hire her boss without signoff by the new owner. Who says she understands what we need in a GM or has the authority to even look for one. You are making some huge assumptions here. I doubt the GM search is in her job duties. And the reason you wouldn't hire one now is that a GM isn't going to interview for a job he wouldn't assume right away and work for an unknown owner who didn't pick him. No your dislike for Hurney is coloring your take on this issue. 

Id be all for Hurney being here for at least a year if not 3 so find someone else to drop that on.

As I said in my initial post in this thread if I were the new majority owner and Tina Becker, the COO, doesnt have candidates for me to consider (including a potential contract extension of Hurney) when I take over she would find herself being one of the first people on the street.  Her job is to run the show and waiting to find out what I may or may not is not doing her job.  She needs to have a short list on day one.

All Im saying is that they need to be preparing options, making initial contacts, possibly even the first and second rounds of vetting now so that when the new owner arrives he or she has a couple of interviews and is ready to move.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Inimicus said:

Id be all for Hurney being here for at least a year if not 3 so find someone else to drop that on.

As I said in my initial post in this thread if I were the new majority owner and Tina Becker, the COO, doesnt have candidates for me to consider (including a potential contract extension of Hurney) when I take over she would find herself being one of the first people on the street.  Her job is to run the show and waiting to find out what I may or may not is not doing her job.  She needs to have a short list on day one.

All Im saying is that they need to be preparing options, making initial contacts, possibly even the first and second rounds of vetting now so that when the new owner arrives he or she has a couple of interviews and is ready to move.

From what I've been told, Tina Becker has nothing to do with the football side of the operation.

Marty Hurney has full control of that right now.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, Inimicus said:

Id be all for Hurney being here for at least a year if not 3 so find someone else to drop that on.

As I said in my initial post in this thread if I were the new majority owner and Tina Becker, the COO, doesnt have candidates for me to consider (including a potential contract extension of Hurney) when I take over she would find herself being one of the first people on the street.  Her job is to run the show and waiting to find out what I may or may not is not doing her job.  She needs to have a short list on day one.

All Im saying is that they need to be preparing options, making initial contacts, possibly even the first and second rounds of vetting now so that when the new owner arrives he or she has a couple of interviews and is ready to move.

Think about it for a moment. If I just won the bid and had no timeframe for when I was going to find a new GM since I haven't spent one day on the job, how exactly would someone build a list of available guys when they have just met me, don't know my plans for the team and what exactly my philosophy was and what kind of GM I was looking for. If I am a billionaire I am going to have a lot of input and would not rely on an ex-cheerleader CEO who I don't know anything about to make one of the most critical decisions I will make as an owner. Your logic makes no sense and you can't make a list until you know what your owner is looking for. Especially doing it now, which is months before she even knows who the owners would be. Think about it.....

[panthers55]

3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

That's probably guaranteed just based on the timeline of the sale of the team. I can live with that. 

More than one year though? Then I'll be pissed.

Anyone who is pissed automatically has their mind made up and would be evaluating him not on his current work over the last 2 years of work but what he did in his first stint which would have been years ago. Makes sense on the huddle though since people still bring up Tampa and Shula which happened almost 20 years ago. I would hope you get evaluated on your present capacities instead of your boss holding on to your mistakes from years ago.

[Inimicus]

57 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Think about it for a moment. If I just won the bid and had no timeframe for when I was going to find a new GM since I haven't spent one day on the job, how exactly would someone build a list of available guys when they have just met me, don't know my plans for the team and what exactly my philosophy was and what kind of GM I was looking for. If I am a billionaire I am going to have a lot of input and would not rely on an ex-cheerleader CEO who I don't know anything about to make one of the most critical decisions I will make as an owner. Your logic makes no sense and you can't make a list until you know what your owner is looking for. Especially doing it now, which is months before she even knows who the owners would be. Think about it.....

First off, the fact that you keep referring to her as "ex-cheerleader" is pretty sexist.

Secondly she is the Chief Operations Officer so without regard to the fact that she was a cheerleader she has risen to the C-suite and I doubt that she did it on her ability to shake her ass.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tina+becker

As to knowing you or your plans...

I know as a newly minted owner of 1 of the 32 NFL franchises, one of the most exclusive clubs in the world,  you are both accustomed to winning and typically surround yourself with the best people available.  I know that you have a philosophy off doing what it takes to succeed and that while you believe you know best youre not so myopic to ignore input from your executives.  I know that while you might have designs on what it takes to run an NFL team you also are familiar with parable:

Two bulls are standing on a hill

The young one says "Lets run down there and fug one of those cows"

The older one says "Lets walk down and fug them all"

 

Lastly having been both a Director (of IT) and a Chief (CTO) of not insubstantial companies Ive had my share of contact with people, albeit on the lower end of the spectrum, who fit into the demographic of the types of folk who might step up to buy this team.

 

Again Im trying to express the notion that if the Panthers are not at least assembling a short list of GMs right now Id be shocked.  And @Mr. Scot may well be right that Ms. Becker has no say in football matters, I would hold the same beliefs were you to sub in Hurney.  If he isn't doing this now I'd shitcan his ass the first day.

[Mr. Scot]

30 minutes ago, panthers55 said:

Anyone who is pissed automatically has their mind made up and would be evaluating him not on his current work over the last 2 years of work but what he did in his first stint which would have been years ago. Makes sense on the huddle though since people still bring up Tampa and Shula which happened almost 20 years ago. I would hope you get evaluated on your present capacities instead of your boss holding on to your mistakes from years ago.

It's possible that Matt Millen might have learned from his prior mistakes.

And hey, maybe Marty Mornhinweg just needs another shot at being a head coach.  Or Hue Jackson could use different management.

Shall we give those guys another shot?  They should be evaluated on their present capacities instead of mistakes from years ago, right?

[KillerKat]

whenever I see P55 try to talk seriously about a topic, I just laugh and scroll on down. 

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, Inimicus said:

First off, the fact that you keep referring to her as "ex-cheerleader" is pretty sexist.

Secondly she is the Chief Operations Officer so without regard to the fact that she was a cheerleader she has risen to the C-suite and I doubt that she did it on her ability to shake her ass.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=tina+becker

As to knowing you or your plans...

I know as a newly minted owner of 1 of the 32 NFL franchises, one of the most exclusive clubs in the world,  you are both accustomed to winning and typically surround yourself with the best people available.  I know that you have a philosophy off doing what it takes to succeed and that while you believe you know best youre not so myopic to ignore input from your executives.  I know that while you might have designs on what it takes to run an NFL team you also are familiar with parable:

Two bulls are standing on a hill

The young one says "Lets run down there and fug one of those cows"

The older one says "Lets walk down and fug them all"

 

Lastly having been both a Director (of IT) and a Chief (CTO) of not insubstantial companies Ive had my share of contact with people, albeit on the lower end of the spectrum, who fit into the demographic of the types of folk who might step up to buy this team.

 

Again Im trying to express the notion that if the Panthers are not at least assembling a short list of GMs right now Id be shocked.  And @Mr. Scot may well be right that Ms. Becker has no say in football matters, I would hold the same beliefs were you to sub in Hurney.  If he isn't doing this now I'd shitcan his ass the first day

First of all my comments were not designed to be sexist simply the reality of the situation from someone who is coming from outside looking in. She has no football playing experience, no experience as a coach or scout or someone who could have the personal experience to know what makes a good GM or who knows football. Sure she could read books do research and have conversations with players coaches and scouts but let's be serious she doesn't handle anything football related and has no background to know this side of the game.

Giving her the reins to decide who we should interview would be like asking you to manage the stock portfolios of your companies instead of technology. A bad fit. It doesn't mean you aren't good at your job just not staying in your area of expertise. 

And you clearly have a confused timeline. You don't get a list of candidates who may or may not be available months from now for a job that may or may not be available for a owner you haven't met or have any clue what he is thinking. That is a waste of time and energy that any new owner would not reward you for doing but likely be offended you made the list without consulting him and getting his input first. Or concerned about your lack of judgement going off half cocked on your own. He might wonder why you think you know more than he does.

No just admit after thought you were wrong and let it go. You are on thin ice.

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, KillerKat said:

whenever I see P55 try to talk seriously about a topic, I just laugh and scroll on down. 

That makes me feel better since I always know I am on target if we are on opposite sides of any issue. If I actually agreed with you on anything I would have to reconsider my thinking. But thanks for being consistent. You make a great barometer.

[Fox007]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's possible that Matt Millen might have learned from his prior mistakes.

And hey, maybe Marty Mornhinweg just needs another shot at being a head coach.  Or Hue Jackson could use different management.

Shall we give those guys another shot?  They should be evaluated on their present capacities instead of mistakes from years ago, right?

Yea that's a new one. Your past performances aren't meant to be taken into consideration, critiqued, or talked about.

And no one else even so much as thought about him, just JR....says a lot.

[heel31ok]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's possible that Matt Millen might have learned from his prior mistakes.

And hey, maybe Marty Mornhinweg just needs another shot at being a head coach.  Or Hue Jackson could use different management.

Shall we give those guys another shot?  They should be evaluated on their present capacities instead of mistakes from years ago, right?

yes...

[GRWatcher]

2 hours ago, panthers55 said:

Think about it for a moment. If I just won the bid and had no timeframe for when I was going to find a new GM since I haven't spent one day on the job, how exactly would someone build a list of available guys when they have just met me, don't know my plans for the team and what exactly my philosophy was and what kind of GM I was looking for. If I am a billionaire I am going to have a lot of input and would not rely on an ex-cheerleader CEO who I don't know anything about to make one of the most critical decisions I will make as an owner. Your logic makes no sense and you can't make a list until you know what your owner is looking for. Especially doing it now, which is months before she even knows who the owners would be. Think about it.....

Anyone or any possible owners group willing to bid for the team and possibly become team owner(s) will not have gone into it blindly. They are not newborn babes nor are they the type to stand by themselves in an empty field unprepared and clueless. Be real. They will "be on the job" from the moment they place their bid if not before. They will have plans and will be fully aware of the work not only needed but also what has been done. There should be a list available for the new owner(s) because that is half of Hurney's job description. If a GM candidate is hired before we have new ownership, you adjust the list. Like this: easypeasy. Or you come in with an established GM search team because you know Hurney is not fulfilling his job. 

Has anyone considered that Richardson was going to sell the team in 2018 and didn't need any accusations or investigations to spur it?

[panthers55]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

It's possible that Matt Millen might have learned from his prior mistakes.

And hey, maybe Marty Mornhinweg just needs another shot at being a head coach.  Or Hue Jackson could use different management.

Shall we give those guys another shot?  They should be evaluated on their present capacities instead of mistakes from years ago, right?

You love that comparison of Matt Millen but it holds no water. First of all Matt Millen was a great player but one of the worse GMs  in history with a winning record of 31-84. Compare that to Hurney's record the first time around of  90-102. How many Division crowns, playoff games and super bowls did Matt Millen 's lions play while he was GM?

Using your logic I guess New England shouldn't have hired Bill Belichick based on his performance as head coach for Cleveland.

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[Squirrel]

30 minutes ago, GRWatcher said:

Anyone or any possible owners group willing to bid for the team and possibly become team owner(s) will not have gone into it blindly. They are not newborn babes nor are they the type to stand by themselves in an empty field unprepared and clueless. Be real. They will "be on the job" from the moment they place their bid if not before. They will have plans and will be fully aware of the work not only needed but also what has been done. There should be a list available for the new owner(s) because that is half of Hurney's job description. If a GM candidate is hired before we have new ownership, you adjust the list. Like this: easypeasy. Or you come in with an established GM search team because you know Hurney is not fulfilling his job. 

Has anyone considered that Richardson was going to sell the team in 2018 and didn't need any accusations or investigations to spur it?

Yeah I think was planning to sale anyway.