Rod Chudzinski

[rayzor]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

And that's Rivera too.

yep. very much a pervasive coaching philosophy, which leads me to believe that unless the new organizational leadership intervenes and forces a change at OC or....incredibly unlikely...shula gets a HC offer somewhere, we won't be seeing any changes at OC as long as ron is HC.

[Mr. Scot]

I will say this much. Chudzinski's style of offense is much better suited to Cam Newton's skill set. With Shula, you've got one of the most dynamic athletes in the game and you're using him in a conservative game plan.

That doesn't mean I want Chud back, but I acknowledge that at least he has a better idea of how to use Newton.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, rayzor said:

yep. very much a pervasive coaching philosophy, which leads me to believe that unless the new organizational leadership intervenes and forces a change at OC or....incredibly unlikely...shula gets a HC offer somewhere, we won't be seeing any changes at OC as long as ron is HC.

Shula and Rivera are joined at the hip. You'll never separate them.

The only situation I can imagine coming close would be if we had such a disaster that  a scapegoat was demanded, and even then it'd probably be Ken Dorsey.

Given our current ownership situation, there's no way I see that happening anytime soon.

[rayzor]

5 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Basically believes he's smarter than he really is, and is therefore left confused as to how to respond when his plan doesn't work.

We've got enough of that on staff already.

all the way up to GM.

[FugAllY'all]

Our best chance was one of the college teams that had an opening were interested in Shula, but that ship's sailed. He has no shot at an NFL HC job, even if Cam catches fire and we win a couple playoff games. I agree with most that the only way he goes is if Rivera goes with him. 

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

all the way up to GM.

Pretty much.

I think Hurney genuinely believes he's good at his job and the failures of the past were probably someone else's fault.

[frash.exe]

36 minutes ago, rayzor said:

totally agreed. the problem was he was too confident in his ability to wheel and deal which JR had to put the kibosh on a couple times in 2010. i always thought hurney had a gambling problem and the draft was his game of choice.

what was he trying to do in 2010 that JR had to intervene and force stop?

[TN05]

This is peak huddle stupidity.

Chud sucks. He's had precisely one good season, 2011. The rest were hot garbage. No thanks.

[rayzor]

2 minutes ago, frash.exe said:

what was he trying to do in 2010 that JR had to intervene and force stop?

iirc, trading up to get pickles....or at least told him not to trade away the 2011 first round pick because he knew hurney's tendencies. that might have been the extent of it.

[Mr. Scot]

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

iirc, trading up to get pickles....or at least told him not to trade away the 2011 first round pick because he knew hurney's tendencies. that might have been the extent of it.

I think he might actually be referring to 2011, as if I recall correctly that was the year that the massive contracts were handed out.

[Cookie Lyon]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I will say this much. Chudzinski's style of offense is much better suited to Cam Newton's skill set. With Shula, you've got one of the most dynamic athletes in the game and you're using him in a conservative game plan.

That doesn't mean I want Chud back, but I acknowledge that at least he has a better idea of how to use Newton.

Agreed.

[frash.exe]

19 minutes ago, rayzor said:

iirc, trading up to get pickles....or at least told him not to trade away the 2011 first round pick because he knew hurney's tendencies. that might have been the extent of it.

my impression was that it fell through and JR had no intervention

[frash.exe]

57 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Which is pretty much all he'd have done.

Assistants are chosen by head coaches, not general managers. That's pretty much true all over the league other than in a few occasional exceptions.

If you remember when reporters asked about Richard Rodgers, Gettleman said "that's a Ron question." He pointed out that he could make suggestions but coaching staff decisions belonged to Rivera.

Shula's promotion was Rivera's decision, not Gettleman's.

which is why when you bring in a new GM, you should let him select a new head coach

[TheCasillas]

28 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Pretty much.

I think Hurney genuinely believes he's good at his job and the failures of the past were probably someone else's fault.

Back in june he admitted to his failures during his previous stint with the Panthers.

Just to help you avoid being wrong again.