Off season questions. #1. Matt Kalil.

[iamhubby1]

Just now, Toomers said:

Not that it matters, but I knew the answer before I asked the question. It was why I asked in the first place. Sorry if it offends you if I correct a simple fact in a discussion. If that makes me a “bully(lol)” I’ll just have to live with it. You will too. 

 

    Or...you could, oh I don't know, take a deep breath, and just enjoy life. Do you know what all that stress does to your heart? But hey, have at it. Some folks just need to be snarky. It is just in their nature. I have a brother in law like that. Nobody likes him either. lol

[Toomers]

5 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    Or...you could, oh I don't know, take a deep breath, and just enjoy life. Do you know what all that stress does to your heart? But hey, have at it. Some folks just need to be snarky. It is just in their nature. I have a brother in law like that. Nobody likes him either. lol

  Whatever keeps you from feeling “threatened” by my “bullying” ways. 

[Santee_Panther]

Both OTC and Spotrac are off. 

OTC is assuming the $10mm option has already been exercised, hence the overstated $20mm dead cap number. Spotrac fails to account for the possibility of the $10mm option in future dead cap numbers (they account for it in the annual cap numbers, but not in the dead cap numbers).

So the three scenarios are:

Option 1) cut him at end of season and take $10mil dead cap hit

Option 2) Don’t exercise option, but keep him. Cap hit of $12mm in ‘18 and $13mm in ‘19. Then he’s a free agent.

Option 3) exercise Option and ride it out. Cap hits of: $7mm, $13mm, $16mm and $16mm. Likely out/restructuring after ‘19.

The contract isn’t nearly as bad as it is made out to be. 

[Toomers]

5 hours ago, Santee_Panther said:

Both OTC and Spotrac are off. 

OTC is assuming the $10mm option has already been exercised, hence the overstated $20mm dead cap number. Spotrac fails to account for the possibility of the $10mm option in future dead cap numbers (they account for it in the annual cap numbers, but not in the dead cap numbers).

So the three scenarios are:

Option 1) cut him at end of season and take $10mil dead cap hit

Option 2) Don’t exercise option, but keep him. Cap hit of $12mm in ‘18 and $13mm in ‘19. Then he’s a free agent.

Option 3) exercise Option and ride it out. Cap hits of: $7mm, $13mm, $16mm and $16mm. Likely out/restructuring after ‘19.

The contract isn’t nearly as bad as it is made out to be. 

The option has to be picked up or it reverts to guaranteed base salary for 2018. Either way, it’s coming. If we cut him after this year, his dead cap is 20.7M. 

[LordOfDaWingz]

We should be Kalil free after next season. Both should be gone by the start of the 2019 season.

[jfra78]

Right now there are only a few panthers I think are safe.  Give me a day or so to think rationally, right now Im pissed.

[Fox007]

13 hours ago, Cyberjag said:

He's worth another year.  He's not great, but he's not as terrible as some people here think, either.  He's also improved over the course of the season, so there's the whole chemistry thing to take into account.

I think Hurney will grab at least one tackle in the draft, and maybe we'll get lucky with his development.  Maybe Moton is the answer.  Maybe we move Williams over in 2019 and start Moton at RT.  Like it or not, we have more pressing needs than LT right now.

Oh, and Matt Kalil is a David Gettleman signing all day long.  And he wasn't a bad one--we are really on the hook for just two years, and that's how long he will likely last here unless he continues to improve.

He has improved and has actually not been completely worthless on the level of say CJ.

 

[Fox007]

10 minutes ago, jfra78 said:

  Give me a day or so to think rationally

Not allowed.

[Pejorative Miscreant]

11 hours ago, Udogg said:

Jerry Richardson?   Why doesn't that have Gettlemen all over it?  I don't understand. 

Scapegoat for all the woes.  I think he got LT money and we paid a premium because the market dictated it at the time.  I don't think Jerry just flew up to Minnesota with his checkbook.  

[EgoDogg]

Can we trade him and a draft pick to the browns to eat his contract for us? Please.

[catnip]

We will finish this season over .500.  Can we repeat this next year with a new owner and possible new coaches ? Everyone on this team is playing for a job next Sunday .  In an interview after the Atlanta game, Rivera said it was just another game.  Give me a coach that hates to lose . He always states just missed opportunities . He should think that he just might not get another one next year . We definitely need a QB coach to work on Cam with his high throws. He has had that problem since he entered the league. 

 

[Santee_Panther]

10 hours ago, Toomers said:

The option has to be picked up or it reverts to guaranteed base salary for 2018. Either way, it’s coming. If we cut him after this year, his dead cap is 20.7M. 

I understand how the option works, but if we don’t exercise AND we cut him, it is NOT dead money because it was never paid. 

Any player can have a huge salary and if they are cut that has no impact to dead money.

Dead money is bonus money that was amortized over the life of a contract. If we don’t exercise the option that $10mm becomes salary. But if we cut him before paying the salary the only dead money we owe is from the original $12mm signing bonus (4 years left on contract so 80%=$9.6mm).

[Toomers]

3 minutes ago, Santee_Panther said:

I understand how the option works, but if we don’t exercise AND we cut him, it is NOT dead money because it was never paid. 

Any player can have a huge salary and if they are cut that has no impact to dead money.

Dead money is bonus money that was amortized over the life of a contract. If we don’t exercise the option that $10mm becomes salary. But if we cut him before paying the salary the only dead money we owe is from the original $12mm signing bonus (4 years left on contract so 80%=$9.6mm).

If we don’t exercise it. The money becomes GUARANTEED base salary for 2018. So how is cutting him getting us out of that. I hope you’re right. But we are paying that 10M one way or another the way it is currently laid out

[unicar15]

On 12/31/2017 at 10:07 AM, Saca312 said:

Ugh. That contract literally has Jerry Richardson’s fingerprints all over it. 

Either way, we’ll probably be stuck with Matt Kalil next year as well. I mean he’s not atrociously bad with Andrew Norwell next to him, but I don’t believe he’s proving he’s worth his contract right now.

Norwell will be gone. Idt even Hurney is willing to pay two top 5 OG salaries. We made our bed with Turner which was the right move. Expect Billy Price to be in the convo for our #1 pick to be the starting LG next year and heir apparent to Ryan Kalil (who has been the most important OL since Jordan Gross).