We will know who should of been our GM

[CarolinaSamurai]

10 minutes ago, emhoward said:

I'd have to give Gettleman at least a C for 1st round drafting, especially considering he draft toward the bottom of the round often. If an "F" is a bust, then a "D" would be near busts and I don't think any of the picks are that.

And I'd give him at least a B for FA signings. What he did that first year with bargan bin Free Agents was incredible... the only bad pickup contract wise in 5 years may be M. Kalil

He signed to many 1 year deals and we lost talent for that. Then we signed more years but mostly old stop gap players. No young or long term solutions except Matt. We have the same needs now we did when he started. Safety, Defensive End, Left Tackle, and Tight End. All these positions needed young long term solutions and he never addressed it in the top rounds or in free agency. Just a revolving door of old dudes who we will lose after 1 to 2 years

[Ricky Spanish]

56 minutes ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

One I've been a fan since the beginning. I have the coin and statue from the first game at the stadium to prove it. 

As far as trades go Olsen was bigger to me than to you. He's our #1 receiver! To get that from that trade is just astounding

As far as free agents go I looked and your right I'd knock him for that

For extensions go for Gman he played hard ball and lost a ton of talent not just JNo. We lost Steve Smith, Jordan Gross, Ted Ginn twice, Mike Mitchell(boy a good safety would be nice right now), not to mention he almost got rid of Olsen and TD. I'm sorry but he bullied his way into losing good players way earlier than they needed to be.

Also to add.Gman never addressed needs he continually made strengths stronger and never paid a FA that was worth it. Plus Matt Khalil just yuck

One word, Money. You can't look at this stuff with hindsight bias, look at the situation we were in when it all happened. He let those guys walk for money. Ginn chased it in AZ, then signed a two year deal back with us. Mitchell is overpaid. Everyone in Pitt thinks so, he's honestly not that great. And he didn't run Either Olsen or TD out of town, he had just negotiated deals the year before and they wanted newer extensions. Any GM who isn't a complete cuck like Hurney would have pushed back on that. TD is my favorite panther ever, but he has regressed this year. It is noticeable, and Hurney went and extended him. Greg is absolutely worth more money than he earns right now, and he probably would have gotten more on a new contract, but I don't blame Getts for pushing back. I blame neither Greg nor TD for wanting their's, but I don't blame Gettleman for thinking about the future of the team as well. 

You aren't giving him any credit for retaining Kalil, Cam, Luke, Short, Addison, Oher (even though his brain got scrambled, it was a good signing at the time, it's a shame his brain exploded), Greg once already, and TD once already. He retained our franchise QB and a top 5 defensive player in the league, and you're gonna dock him a grade for letting Ted Ginn and Mike Mitchell Go? I respectfully disagree with your assertion. 

[heel31ok]

3 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

One word, Money. You can't look at this stuff with hindsight bias, look at the situation we were in when it all happened. He let those guys walk for money. Ginn chased it in AZ, then signed a two year deal back with us. Mitchell is overpaid. Everyone in Pitt thinks so, he's honestly not that great. And he didn't run Either Olsen or TD out of town, he had just negotiated deals the year before and they wanted newer extensions. Any GM who isn't a complete cuck like Hurney would have pushed back on that. TD is my favorite panther ever, but he has regressed this year. It is noticeable, and Hurney went and extended him. Greg is absolutely worth more money than he earns right now, and he probably would have gotten more on a new contract, but I don't blame Getts for pushing back. I blame neither Greg nor TD for wanting their's, but I don't blame Gettleman for thinking about the future of the team as well. 

You aren't giving him any credit for retaining Kalil, Cam, Luke, Short, Addison, Oher (even though his brain got scrambled, it was a good signing at the time, it's a shame his brain exploded), Greg once already, and TD once already. He retained our franchise QB and a top 5 defensive player in the league, and you're gonna dock him a grade for letting Ted Ginn and Mike Mitchell Go? I respectfully disagree with your assertion. 

its not money its momentum...Mitchell had it and Ginn had it twice...

[Pantha-kun]

All 3 will be drafting in very different areas 

Gettleman is lucky he gets another draft picking in the top 10, right now Giants are looking like they'll have the 2nd pick. Since he's drafting so high its obvious he has the highest chance to have the best draft. 

Bills basically have a mid first AND a late 1st . 

Panthers are going to have very late rounders . The talent pool available to us is going to be alot worse 

Logically Gettleman SHOULD have the best draft but thats not accounting for busts. Hurney's admittedly drafted some of the Franchises' best players (ex Cam, Luke, TD ) but drafted quite a few duds too and made some really horrible draft day trades in particular. I'm very worried what he'll do this coming draft

[CarolinaSamurai]

11 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

One word, Money. You can't look at this stuff with hindsight bias, look at the situation we were in when it all happened. He let those guys walk for money. Ginn chased it in AZ, then signed a two year deal back with us. Mitchell is overpaid. Everyone in Pitt thinks so, he's honestly not that great. And he didn't run Either Olsen or TD out of town, he had just negotiated deals the year before and they wanted newer extensions. Any GM who isn't a complete cuck like Hurney would have pushed back on that. TD is my favorite panther ever, but he has regressed this year. It is noticeable, and Hurney went and extended him. Greg is absolutely worth more money than he earns right now, and he probably would have gotten more on a new contract, but I don't blame Getts for pushing back. I blame neither Greg nor TD for wanting their's, but I don't blame Gettleman for thinking about the future of the team as well. 

You aren't giving him any credit for retaining Kalil, Cam, Luke, Short, Addison, Oher (even though his brain got scrambled, it was a good signing at the time, it's a shame his brain exploded), Greg once already, and TD once already. He retained our franchise QB and a top 5 defensive player in the league, and you're gonna dock him a grade for letting Ted Ginn and Mike Mitchell Go? I respectfully disagree with your assertion. 

Its a record of using stop gaps instead of real solutions. Of not keeping guys who weren't declining yet and disrespecting them so they'd leave.  

[Ricky Spanish]

1 minute ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

Its a record of using stop gaps instead of real solutions. Of not keeping guys who weren't declining yet and disrespecting them so they'd leave.  

Again, money. We had to use stop gaps at those positions because you can't afford to always have a long term solution who is a great player at every single position. Cap won't allow it. There's nothing wrong with signing guys on a one or two year "prove it" deal when you can't break the bank. They play hungry, the team succeeds, and then you determine if you can keep them in the long term or not. It's funny you look at it as a negative aspect whereas I look at it as a positive. He was able to identify a guy who could help us in our system who could be had at a cheap price for a year or two. Hurney never did it. He never filled out rosters with those kinds of guys because he wasn't good at evaluating NFL talent. 

The strategy worked. 3 straight division titles and 4 out of 5 years playoff births. Compare that to Hurney's record as our GM and it's unquestioned that we had WAY more success with Gettleman at the helm.

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

I would say

Hurney would get A+, C, F, B, F, C and Gettleman would get D, C, A+, C, D, D.

So for me that's 

Hurney: 1.8

Gettleman: 1.8

About even for me

Gettleman extended Cam, Luke, Olsen and and laid the foundation for the extensions for Turner and Davis.

You're teaching to make it even out.

[CarolinaSamurai]

17 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Again, money. We had to use stop gaps at those positions because you can't afford to always have a long term solution who is a great player at every single position. Cap won't allow it. There's nothing wrong with signing guys on a one or two year "prove it" deal when you can't break the bank. They play hungry, the team succeeds, and then you determine if you can keep them in the long term or not. It's funny you look at it as a negative aspect whereas I look at it as a positive. He was able to identify a guy who could help us in our system who could be had at a cheap price for a year or two. Hurney never did it. He never filled out rosters with those kinds of guys because he wasn't good at evaluating NFL talent. 

The strategy worked. 3 straight division titles and 4 out of 5 years playoff births. Compare that to Hurney's record as our GM and it's unquestioned that we had WAY more success with Gettleman at the helm.

It didn't work because areas of concern are the same they were when he started. Using stop gaps work if you plan to address the need in the draft in the next year or two. He didn't. We just kept stock piling old dudes, drafting the same positions that were strengths. All that's done is make us weaker overall. We could be strong or serviceable in areas instead we are stacked in areas and just crap in the others

[AceBoogie]

5 hours ago, uncfan888 said:

I know who shouldn't be our GM... 

All of the above 

[CarolinaSamurai]

16 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Gettleman extended Cam, Luke, Olsen and and laid the foundation for the extensions for Turner and Davis.

You're teaching to make it even out.

No safety, no DE, no TE, no LT that's young and able to help us. Heck now no WR. He was going to extend KB, he didn't extend Josh Norman, many say he wasn't going to extend TD or Olsen, he didn't extend Steve Smith, he let Gross retire(basically showed him the door according to Gross). He didn't keep Mike Mitchell or Tedd Ginn both of which we could really use rn. 

[KB_fan]

Obviously Dave's getting another shot at GM, this time for Giants, gives us further opportunity to judge his talent and success.

Although I don't really want to see the Giants succeed at Panthers expense as NFC rivals, I believe DG can help turn things around for them and wish him well personally. 

But there's no way to directly compare the 2018 drafts of Beans, Hurney or Gettleman. Each team has different needs and situations. What DG does in NY with pick #2 will be different with from what he'd do here with the hopefully #32 pick!

[Ricky Spanish]

5 minutes ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

It didn't work because areas of concern are the same they were when he started. Using stop gaps work if you plan to address the need in the draft in the next year or two. He didn't. We just kept stock piling old dudes, drafting the same positions that were strengths. All that's done is make us weaker overall. We could be strong or serviceable in areas instead we are stacked in areas and just crap in the others

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We made the playoffs 4 out of 5 years dude. 

I mean it would have been nice to win that super bowl but come on, it definitely worked and we aren't "Weaker overall" now than we were when he came in. We were 20 million over the cap with a roster filled with a handful of great players and complete and utter dogshit everywhere else. 

I'm going to have to just agree to disagree if you think we're in worse shape now than we were when he came in...

My gracious. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, CarolinaSamurai said:

No safety, no DE, no TE, no LT that's young and able to help us. Heck now no WR. He was going to extend KB, he didn't extend Josh Norman, many say he wasn't going to extend TD or Olsen, he didn't extend Steve Smith, he let Gross retire(basically showed him the door according to Gross). He didn't keep Mike Mitchell or Tedd Ginn both of which we could really use rn. 

He actually did extend Olsen. Olsen wanted another extension after that.

And no safety? Coleman doesn't count?

No WR? Gettleman drafted Benjamin and Funchess and signed Byrd as an undrafted free agent.

No LT? Remember Taylor Moron? Or Michael Oher before him? Gettleman tried to keep Gross too, and nowhere did he state Gettleman "showed him the door".

You've got an awfully convenient memory on this stuff.

[CarolinaSamurai]

5 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

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We made the playoffs 4 out of 5 years dude. 

I mean it would have been nice to win that super bowl but come on, it definitely worked and we aren't "Weaker overall" now than we were when he came in. We were 20 million over the cap with a roster filled with a handful of great players and complete and utter dogshit everywhere else. 

I'm going to have to just agree to disagree if you think we're in worse shape now than we were when he came in...

My gracious. 

In the money we arnt, in the strong areas we arnt. But our weaknesses are very apparent and it's hurt us before. This stop gap thing without drafting those needs creates this up and down season thing. Don't quote playoffs without mentioning we made it at 7-8-1. We are good with -insert free agent names- they leave and the next year we arnt as good, downright bad even. Look at this year, if we had a safety worth a dang, a young DE to learn from JP, a TE to learn from Olsen, a Tackle being close to being a good LT. All that was possible if we didn't get 2 instead of one big WRs, a 3rd 1st round DT, another LB when our core was already so good.  It's just pisses me off that we did half a good job when we could get in a great place right now.