We will know who should of been our GM

[Ricky Spanish]

17 minutes ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

Who drafted Steve Smith? Plus he did draft

Jordan Gross

Ryan Khalil

Josh Norman

Cam Newton

Luke Keuchly

Thomas Davis

Julius Peppers

Geoff Handgardner

Jonathan Stewart

Jon Beason

Charles Johnson

Captain Munnerlyn

Greg Hardy

All these players were very good and no matter what happened to them they were good picks. Hurney was bad at free agents, trades, and cap management. Don't think he didn't do ok at drafting. No one's perfect but he wasn't the worst drafter ever

 

Siefert drafted Smitty. I have, on numerous occasions, given credit where it was due to Hurney in that he was money in round 1. That's pretty much it though. It's essentially saying "He was good at this one particular aspect of one of the main tasks at his job, but he was completely poo at everything else. But nobody's perfect!" 

I'd rather have competent than "not perfect"

If we would grade each aspect of being a GM:

• Round 1 drafting
• Every other round Drafting
• Cap Management
• FA Signing
• Player Extensions
• Trades

Hurney would get A+, D, F, F, F, F and Gettleman would get C-, B, A+, B, C, C.

Hurney GPA - Abysmall 0.83333

Gettleman GPA - Respectable - 2.6666

 

[ColumbusCounty]

1 hour ago, Cracka McNasty said:

He has never drafted a good WR, ever, so keep waiting on that to happen. He also allowed the entire team to devolve to 2-14 and extended that core and didn't understand why they weren't winning. 

Brandon Lafell was pretty clutch and a very good blocker at times IIRC .... not all-pro by any means but a pretty solid starter in his time here. Not to mention the "Smitty effect" on other receivers at that time... That being said, I'm not the biggest Hurney supporter.

Also, the man did draft Hardy, Norman, and Captain in the later rounds. His 1st rounders are $$ and he landed us Olsen.. Hurney is also more willing to take chances on players with off the field issues. 

Gman was money after the 1st and the VERY good at UDFA's. 

  

[Mr. Scot]

2 minutes ago, ColumbusCounty said:

Brandon Lafell was pretty clutch...

I can't get on board with that statement.

[Ricky Spanish]

31 minutes ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

Was he really about hog mollies when he barely drafted any Oline talent? Like Turner, Moton, Williams? That's it.

You forgot Norwell in there. So he gave us potentially, 3 long term solutions out of the 5 DL spots where 1 was a guy he re-signed and kept in place, so 4 out of 5 spots on the O-Line were taken care of. 

Hogmollies include D-Line too. So you also have Star, KK, and Butler, as well as extending Addison, bringing Peppers back, and drafting Ealy (at least he tried) and Hall (Jury is still out, but I don't expect him to be much). 

So of the 9 potential spots on the line, he sured up 5 or 6 with GOOD long term solutions, 1 or two with future potential, one Old grizzly vet in Peppers, and 1 Matt Kalil who sucks but we are stuck with him for a while.  

At this point, the only weak spot on either of our lines is Matt Kalil, and any franchise would be thrilled to have 8 of 9 of those positions taken care of in a season. The Offense's failure is more on Shula's dumb ass not being able to figure out how to support the weak link at this point. 

[Smithers]

1 hour ago, uncfan888 said:

I'll be shocked and disappointed if a new owner keeps a bum like hurney

His contract will get done before ownership changes hands.  It will be quite expensive to get rid of him I imagine.  

[Ricky Spanish]

6 minutes ago, ColumbusCounty said:

Brandon Lafell was pretty clutch and a very good blocker at times IIRC .... not all-pro by any means but a pretty solid starter in his time here. Not to mention the "Smitty effect" on other receivers at that time... That being said, I'm not the biggest Hurney supporter.

Also, the man did draft Hardy, Norman, and Captain in the later rounds. His 1st rounders are $$ and he landed us Olsen.. Hurney is also more willing to take chances on players with off the field issues. 

Gman was money after the 1st and the VERY good at UDFA's. 

  

I disagree. I still have nightmares about the KC game and the time Steve went down and he was the defacto #1 and he shrank in the spotlight. But yes, Smitty did no favors in the development of any receivers. 

The others you mentioned are solid, and nothing against them, but literally everyone else he drafted in any other round (minus Hangartner, Godfrey, and one or two others that escape me) was a scrub. Like not even backup worthy, but an out of the league scrub. 

[Jmac]

2 hours ago, Tarheels23 said:

Am I the only one who wants to keep Marty Hurney? I think he's learned a lot from his mistakes. Plus he won't have Jerry in his way going forward. 

Since being back he's made two moves that stick out to me. Trading KB, and keeping Ryan Kalil off IR. 

I'll be keeping an eye on what he does at the WR position, which has been his weakest in terms of picking in the draft. 

Another thing we must remember is how well him and Ron gets along. 

Two people want Hurney as GM....you and Hurney.

[CarolinaSamurai]

20 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Siefert drafted Smitty. I have, on numerous occasions, given credit where it was due to Hurney in that he was money in round 1. That's pretty much it though. It's essentially saying "He was good at this one particular aspect of one of the main tasks at his job, but he was completely poo at everything else. But nobody's perfect!" 

I'd rather have competent than "not perfect"

If we would grade each aspect of being a GM:

• Round 1 drafting
• Every other round Drafting
• Cap Management
• FA Signing
• Player Extensions
• Trades

Hurney would get A+, D, F, F, F, F and Gettleman would get C-, B, A+, B, C, C.

Hurney GPA - Abysmall 0.83333

Gettleman GPA - Respectable - 2.6666

 

 

I would say

Hurney would get A+, C, F, B, F, C and Gettleman would get D, C, A+, C, D, D.

So for me that's 

Hurney: 1.8

Gettleman: 1.8

About even for me

[heel31ok]

2 hours ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

This next draft will have 3 possible panthers GMs drafting. In doing so we will have a real time view of who would have been our best GM going forward. 

Brandon Beane

Marty Hurney

Dave Gettleman

All 3 could of been our GM and though we have Hurney he still could go away after a new owner takes over. Im excited to see what they pick. Will we be sad? Happy? Angry? It will be interesting to experience

all 3 wont be drafting for the Panthers ...so 

[Ricky Spanish]

4 minutes ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

 

I would say

Hurney would get A+, C, F, B, F, C and Gettleman would get D, C, A+, C, D, D.

So for me that's 

Hurney: 1.8

Gettleman: 1.8

About even for me

Were you a fan before Cam came around? Not saying that to be condescending, but Hurney's trades were historically poo. He got us Greg, that was an A+. Props there for sure. But he also traded away a future first to draft Everette Brown in the second. He traded the future 33rd pick in the draft to take Armanti Edwards in the 3rd. He tried to trade the future #1 overall pick who was Cam Newton, in order to get Jimmy, fuging, Clausen. I have no idea how he would get a C rating for trades. Maybe a D for the Olsen move alone, but no way in hell is he average. 

With Gettleman I forgot about the Lee trade, he got hosed on that one. Fine with dropping him down to a D there. 

And who in the hell did Hurney sign as a FA that would warrant a B rating overall? He never signed anyone of note to me other than Jake Delhomme, Mike Wahle, Ken Lucas, and Ricky Proehl, none of which were signed after 2008. After that, the last year we made the playoffs with him running the show we got guys like Haruki Nakamura and Legedu Nanee. 

Extensions, I just flat disagree with you. He cut Josh Norman. That's the only guy of note who's contract came up of note that he didn't re-sign when we had funds. He kept Cam, Luke, Trai, Short, Addison, TD, etc...

Just because he bungled the Norman thing doesn't mean he deserves an F overall. 

[L-TownCat]

2 hours ago, jfra78 said:

3 GMs 3 different draft positions.  Hard to judge drafts at different draft positions.

Lol, just wait.

Hurndog gonna cement his place as the biggest Hurr to ever Durr.

[CarolinaSamurai]

32 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Were you a fan before Cam came around? Not saying that to be condescending, but Hurney's trades were historically poo. He got us Greg, that was an A+. Props there for sure. But he also traded away a future first to draft Everette Brown in the second. He traded the future 33rd pick in the draft to take Armanti Edwards in the 3rd. He tried to trade the future #1 overall pick who was Cam Newton, in order to get Jimmy, fuging, Clausen. I have no idea how he would get a C rating for trades. Maybe a D for the Olsen move alone, but no way in hell is he average. 

With Gettleman I forgot about the Lee trade, he got hosed on that one. Fine with dropping him down to a D there. 

And who in the hell did Hurney sign as a FA that would warrant a B rating overall? He never signed anyone of note to me other than Jake Delhomme, Mike Wahle, Ken Lucas, and Ricky Proehl, none of which were signed after 2008. After that, the last year we made the playoffs with him running the show we got guys like Haruki Nakamura and Legedu Nanee. 

Extensions, I just flat disagree with you. He cut Josh Norman. That's the only guy of note who's contract came up of note that he didn't re-sign when we had funds. He kept Cam, Luke, Trai, Short, Addison, TD, etc...

Just because he bungled the Norman thing doesn't mean he deserves an F overall. 

One I've been a fan since the beginning. I have the coin and statue from the first game at the stadium to prove it. 

As far as trades go Olsen was bigger to me than to you. He's our #1 receiver! To get that from that trade is just astounding

As far as free agents go I looked and your right I'd knock him for that

For extensions go for Gman he played hard ball and lost a ton of talent not just JNo. We lost Steve Smith, Jordan Gross, Ted Ginn twice, Mike Mitchell(boy a good safety would be nice right now), not to mention he almost got rid of Olsen and TD. I'm sorry but he bullied his way into losing good players way earlier than they needed to be.

Also to add.Gman never addressed needs he continually made strengths stronger and never paid a FA that was worth it. Plus Matt Khalil just yuck

[emhoward]

1 hour ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Siefert drafted Smitty. I have, on numerous occasions, given credit where it was due to Hurney in that he was money in round 1. That's pretty much it though. It's essentially saying "He was good at this one particular aspect of one of the main tasks at his job, but he was completely poo at everything else. But nobody's perfect!" 

I'd rather have competent than "not perfect"

If we would grade each aspect of being a GM:

• Round 1 drafting
• Every other round Drafting
• Cap Management
• FA Signing
• Player Extensions
• Trades

Hurney would get A+, D, F, F, F, F and Gettleman would get C-, B, A+, B, C, C.

Hurney GPA - Abysmall 0.83333

Gettleman GPA - Respectable - 2.6666

 

I mostly agree but you can't give Hurney an F for trades. The Greg Olsen for a 3rd round pick is enough for at least a C.

Nevermind you already addressed it.

[emhoward]

1 hour ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

 

I would say

Hurney would get A+, C, F, B, F, C and Gettleman would get D, C, A+, C, D, D.

So for me that's 

Hurney: 1.8

Gettleman: 1.8

About even for me

I'd have to give Gettleman at least a C for 1st round drafting, especially considering he draft toward the bottom of the round often. If an "F" is a bust, then a "D" would be near busts and I don't think any of the picks are that.

And I'd give him at least a B for FA signings. What he did that first year with bargan bin Free Agents was incredible... the only bad pickup contract wise in 5 years may be M. Kalil