Dave Gettleman Was A Terrible GM.

[SmokinwithWilly]

6 minutes ago, Doc Holiday said:

Brown and Edwards were terrible. 

But the Otah trade was great, Otah played at a Probowl level straight out of College for his first year with the Panthers. he just ate himself out of the league after his knee injury. you cant predict a players will to play, but from a talent standpoint Otah was a smash hit.

the trade value for Otah was amazing too, we basically gave up a 4th round pick, to pick a year earlier and move up 15 spots in the draft. an Amazingly awesome trade in fact.

I guess it really hinges on whether or not you think Stew was the right pick at 14. I don't think he was, but that is based partially on my view of RBs in general. 

[Jmac]

26 minutes ago, TN05 said:

Dave Gettleman was not terrible. He had strengths and weaknesses that made him ideally suited for rebuilding and poorly suited for sustaining success. He saved us from cap hell, found a few cheap free agents... and then had a really bad last few years.

The reason he was successful early is we already had a talented roster. He simply trimmed the fat of bad contracts and aging vets, drafted fairly well, and filled in the remaining gaps (wide receiver, tackle, cornerback, safety) with cheap but adequate players and then trusted Cam to do the rest. This worked from 2013-2015.

Gradually though his weakness became apparent: he didn't just trim fat, he disliked spending money at all. He started cutting veteran players who could have been gracefully relieved. Gross was basically forced into retirement but was still on good terms with the team and Beason was sent off properly in a trade, but Steve Smith was basically treated like garbage and Josh Norman was released in an utterly moronic move. He became so confident in his ability to find cheap talent that he assumed he could replace anyone with draft picks or cheap free agents - even All-Pros like Norman. Our secondary is still suffering from his utter failure to replace not just Norman, but Charles Tillman too.

Then it became clear he wanted to get rid of Thomas Davis and Greg Olsen, who wanted new contracts, either now or in a year or two. Those are two key cogs for our team; Davis is vital to our defense since Shaq isn't there yet, and Olsen is still our best receiver. Couple that with the 2016 season's failure and it became clear something had to give. Gettleman is gone now, and every major move Hurney has made has worked so far. Gano is a Pro Bowler and the most accurate kicker in the NFL right now, Palardy is our 10+ year punter, Davis and Olsen are locks to retire here, and Benjamin (who Gettleman wanted to extend) was traded to our benefit (we're better AND have more draft picks). It was time to move on, and we're 11-4 in part because of that.

Hurney sucked before and if allowed to stay (god forbid), will suck again.

[panthers1234]

1 minute ago, TheCableGuy said:

Cut Smitty

Lowballed Jordan Gross who then retired and left us with no LT and got stuck with Bryon Bell.

remove the tag from Norman which then left with 2 rookies starting coming off a superbowl year.

Also when he cut smitty in our wr core that year was rookie bejamin,cotch,jason avant,philly brown.just awful and he also refuse to sign ted ginn aswell and he made that mistake again this off season.

so yeah Dave made alot of terrible moves while he was here and don't deserve all this worship he gets.

Honestly these arent too bad if you look at the boneheaded moves other GMs have done. Plus at the time these decisions made perfect sense. Smitty just came off his worse season ever as a WR and Gross was pretty bad the yr before so it actually made sense at the time for why he made those decisions. Norman was probably too expensive. There always a downside to resigning a player. If Norman was resigned you will lose another star player or 2 in the future such as KK or Trai Turner. 

[TheCableGuy]

2 minutes ago, panthers1234 said:

Honestly these arent too bad if you look at the boneheaded moves other GMs have done. Plus at the time these decisions made perfect sense. Smitty just came off his worse season ever as a WR and Gross was pretty bad the yr before so it actually made sense at the time for why he made those decisions. Norman was probably too expensive. There always a downside to resigning a player. If Norman was resigned you will lose another star player or 2 in the future such as KK or Trai Turner. 

I did'n say anything about resigning Norman I said he should have played under the tag for that year and not throw our rookies out to the fire plus letting Gross go when u had noone better and end up stuck with Byron Bell starting is not smart and its still a hole we trying to replace.

[frash.exe]

norman has really proven himself to be the one man show that everybody here likes to tout him as since he joined the redskins and they aren’t making the playoffs this year, didn’t make them last year, and he’s even talking about wanting to leave washington because they’re not winning games.

[panthers1234]

2 minutes ago, TheCableGuy said:

I did'n say anything about resigning Norman I said he should have played under the tag for that year and not throw our rookies out to the fire plus letting Gross go when u had noone better and end up stuck with Byron Bell starting is not smart and its still a hole we trying to replace.

Gross retired. How much DG affected Gross's decision we will never know but he was offered a chance to come back but Gross declined. Gross does not strike me as a person who would retire just to spite the GM for making him take a paycut. 

[csx]

I'm curious of there are actually new posters starting these threads or if this is the same small group of people who post here all day under different logins. Whenever a significant event occurs you get a bunch of brash and idiotic new usernames.

[frash.exe]

1 minute ago, panthers1234 said:

Gross retired. How much DG affected Gross's decision we will never know but he was offered a chance to come back but Gross declined. Gross does not strike me as a person who would retire just to spite the GM for making him take a paycut. 

in addition to this, gross appeared merely months after he retired 50 lbs lighter than his playing weight. it looked like he had a lap band done, but no, he was just off the training and conditioning regimen.

 

the nfl is a tough sport. maybe he just wanted to walk away from it while he still could.

[Mr. Scot]

3 hours ago, TheCableGuy said:

He did it with Hurney's Players

Hurney built the core of this team.

How come Hurney didn't win with that core again?

[Doc Holiday]

34 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I guess it really hinges on whether or not you think Stew was the right pick at 14. I don't think he was, but that is based partially on my view of RBs in general. 

Dude, nobody can say Stew was a bust in anyway at all. really? 

[Doc Holiday]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

How come Hurney didn't win with that core again?

he was poo at cap management and couldn't get any mid tier FA's to fill the gaps that were worth a Damn...

[frash.exe]

1 hour ago, heel31ok said:

Otah was a great pick so you'll have to roll with Brown and Edwards...

jeff otah didn’t want to play bc he had runner’s knee

[top dawg]

3 hours ago, TheCableGuy said:

He the reason Smitty did not retire a panther and for that fug him and lets not forget releashing Josh Norman either..

also got rid of Ted Ginn twice.

Dave Gettleman made mistake after mistake and lets be honest he only had one good draft and that was his first draft when he drafted Starr and KK everything after that has not been that great.

He wasn't great like many make him out to be---a god or something---but I wouldn't call him "terrible." 

He was above average overall. He was a solid cap guy,  but his drafts and his valuation of vets left a lot to be desired.  

[Mr. Scot]

2 hours ago, Icege said:

15-1 Roster:
QB: Cam (Hurney), Anderson (Hurney), Webb (Gettleman)
RB: JStew (Hurney), Tolbert (Hurney), Fozzy (Gettleman), Wegher (Gettleman), CAP (Gettleman)
WR: Funchess (Gettleman), Cotchery (Gettleman), Ginn (Gettleman), Philly (Gettleman), Bersin (Hurney), Norwood (Gettleman)
TE: Olsen (Hurney), Dickson (Gettleman), Simonson (Gettleman)
OT: Oher (Gettleman), Remmers (Gettleman), Williams (Gettleman)
G/C: Kalil (Hurney), Norwell (Gettleman), Turner (Gettleman), Scott (Gettleman), Velasco (Gettleman)
ST: Gano (Gettleman), Nortman (Hurney), Jansen (Hurney)
DE: Johnson (Hurney), Allen (Gettleman), Ealy (Gettleman), Addison (Hurney), Delaire (Gettleman)
DT: Lotulelei (Gettleman), Short (Gettleman), Love (Gettleman), Edwards (Hurney)
LB: Kuechly (Hurney), Davis (Hurney), Thompson (Gettleman), Klein (Gettleman), Mayo (Gettleman), Jacobs (Gettleman)
CB: Norman (Hurney), McClain (Hurney), Williams (Gettleman), Young (Gettleman), Finnegan (Gettleman)
S: Coleman (Gettleman), Harper (Gettleman), Boston (Gettleman), Jones (Hurney), Marlowe (Gettleman)

IR: DE Alexander (Hurney), WR Benjamin (Gettleman), OT Chandler (Hurney), OG Green (Gettleman), WR Hill (Gettleman), CB Tillman (Gettleman), DE Miley (Gettleman), OG Silatolu (Hurney), CB Benwikere (Gettleman)

PS: Alexcih, Askew, Ball, Blechen, Byrd, Cox, Dismukes, Dowling, Foucault, Horton (all Gettleman)

Not including IR/PS...
Gettleman players: 36
Hurney players: 17

Including 22, 21, 11 formations...
Offensive starters (Hurney): 5 (Cam, JStew, Olsen, Kalil, Toldozer)
Offensive starters (Gettleman): 8 (Cotchery, Ginn, Oher, Remmers, Norwell, Turner, Dickson, Funchess)

Including 4-3 & Nickel
Defensive starters (Hurney): 4 (Kuechly, Davis, Johnson, Norman)
Defensive starters (Gettleman): 8 (Lotulelei, Short, Allen, Tillman, Coleman, Harper, Finnegan, Thompson)

Hurney didn't sign Mario Addison, and Gettleman didn't sign Graham Gano.

Brandon Beane picked up both in the latter half of the 2012 season after Hurney was fired.