Dave Gettleman Was A Terrible GM.

[frash.exe]

9 minutes ago, The Lobo said:

Hey, Vsauce! Michael here, what is “muh smitty”? Who started it, where did it come from and more importantly, what is a smitty? 

 

[TN05]

Dave Gettleman was not terrible. He had strengths and weaknesses that made him ideally suited for rebuilding and poorly suited for sustaining success. He saved us from cap hell, found a few cheap free agents... and then had a really bad last few years.

The reason he was successful early is we already had a talented roster. He simply trimmed the fat of bad contracts and aging vets, drafted fairly well, and filled in the remaining gaps (wide receiver, tackle, cornerback, safety) with cheap but adequate players and then trusted Cam to do the rest. This worked from 2013-2015.

Gradually though his weakness became apparent: he didn't just trim fat, he disliked spending money at all. He started cutting veteran players who could have been gracefully relieved. Gross was basically forced into retirement but was still on good terms with the team and Beason was sent off properly in a trade, but Steve Smith was basically treated like garbage and Josh Norman was released in an utterly moronic move. He became so confident in his ability to find cheap talent that he assumed he could replace anyone with draft picks or cheap free agents - even All-Pros like Norman. Our secondary is still suffering from his utter failure to replace not just Norman, but Charles Tillman too.

Then it became clear he wanted to get rid of Thomas Davis and Greg Olsen, who wanted new contracts, either now or in a year or two. Those are two key cogs for our team; Davis is vital to our defense since Shaq isn't there yet, and Olsen is still our best receiver. Couple that with the 2016 season's failure and it became clear something had to give. Gettleman is gone now, and every major move Hurney has made has worked so far. Gano is a Pro Bowler and the most accurate kicker in the NFL right now, Palardy is our 10+ year punter, Davis and Olsen are locks to retire here, and Benjamin (who Gettleman wanted to extend) was traded to our benefit (we're better AND have more draft picks). It was time to move on, and we're 11-4 in part because of that.

[SmokinwithWilly]

19 minutes ago, heel31ok said:

Otah was a great pick so you'll have to roll with Brown and Edwards...

I think the trade for Otah was giving up too much, and thought so at the time as well. There were RBs who ended up being pro bowlers available (Forte, Rice, Charles) in the draft at our pick in the second and we could have taken Otah at 14 or Albert who went right behind him at 15, and saved our 09 pick. Add on the fact he had such a short career for such a expensive pick due to injury (not Hurney's fault), and that trade hurts even more. 

[Daddy_Uncle]

2 hours ago, TheCableGuy said:

He did it with Hurney's Players

Hurney built the core of this team.

You only like His who out their lips on theirs owners butts. You so weird 

[panthers1234]

2 hours ago, TheCableGuy said:

 

well its the truth Hurney drafted Cam and Luke.

 

Lets see how ole Dave does in NY without a franchise Qb already giving to him.

You do realize he won 2 super bowls with the same team basically as assistant GM on that team right?

[Cookie Lyon]

19 minutes ago, Hotsauce said:

Look at this pic

wtf

His leg is so nasty!

[TheCableGuy]

3 minutes ago, panthers1234 said:

You do realize he won 2 super bowls with the same team basically as assistant GM on that team right?

He was not running the show like he will be now so lets see what Ole Dave can do when he has to build a team up with no Cam Newton to bail his azz out.

[chknwing]

he wasnt a bad GM,  He had a great vision.  Some of the picks didnt work out because, well that poo happens.  He really should have replaced coaches which would have made some of the picks perform better but I think Richardson handcuffed him to what he had.

[TheCableGuy]

4 minutes ago, chknwing said:

he wasnt a bad GM,  He had a great vision.  Some of the picks didnt work out because, well that poo happens.  He really should have replaced coaches which would have made some of the picks perform better but I think Richardson handcuffed him to what he had.

JR did'n handcuffed anything afterall Gettleman had the power to cut Smitty do you really think he would had done that if it was Jerry's call cause Jerry loved Smitty.

[Doc Holiday]

55 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I don't know about top 5. I think the Otah, Brown and Edwards trades alone keep him from that. 

Brown and Edwards were terrible. 

But the Otah trade was great, Otah played at a Probowl level straight out of College for his first year with the Panthers. he just ate himself out of the league after his knee injury. you cant predict a players will to play, but from a talent standpoint Otah was a smash hit.

the trade value for Otah was amazing too, we basically gave up a 4th round pick, to pick a year earlier and move up 15 spots in the draft. an Amazingly awesome trade in fact.

[SOJA]

I can understand why people don't like David Gettleman the person. 

But it's laughable to think he was anything less than a top 10, arguably a top 5 GM during his time here. 

The NFL isn't a popularity contest

[panthers1234]

22 minutes ago, TN05 said:

Dave Gettleman was not terrible. He had strengths and weaknesses that made him ideally suited for rebuilding and poorly suited for sustaining success. He saved us from cap hell, found a few cheap free agents... and then had a really bad last few years.

The reason he was successful early is we already had a talented roster. He simply trimmed the fat of bad contracts and aging vets, drafted fairly well, and filled in the remaining gaps (wide receiver, tackle, cornerback, safety) with cheap but adequate players and then trusted Cam to do the rest. This worked from 2013-2015.

Gradually though his weakness became apparent: he didn't just trim fat, he disliked spending money at all. He started cutting veteran players who could have been gracefully relieved. Gross was basically forced into retirement but was still on good terms with the team and Beason was sent off properly in a trade, but Steve Smith was basically treated like garbage and Josh Norman was released in an utterly moronic move. He became so confident in his ability to find cheap talent that he assumed he could replace anyone with draft picks or cheap free agents - even All-Pros like Norman. Our secondary is still suffering from his utter failure to replace not just Norman, but Charles Tillman too.

Then it became clear he wanted to get rid of Thomas Davis and Greg Olsen, who wanted new contracts, either now or in a year or two. Those are two key cogs for our team; Davis is vital to our defense since Shaq isn't there yet, and Olsen is still our best receiver. Couple that with the 2016 season's failure and it became clear something had to give. Gettleman is gone now, and every major move Hurney has made has worked so far. Gano is a Pro Bowler and the most accurate kicker in the NFL right now, Palardy is our 10+ year punter, Davis and Olsen are locks to retire here, and Benjamin (who Gettleman wanted to extend) was traded to our benefit (we're better AND have more draft picks). It was time to move on, and we're 11-4 in part because of that.

First of all he built the team for sustaining success. He didn't overpay players and the ones he did pay were key players. Dave didn't trade future picks or setup contracts that screwed us like Hurney. He didn't dislike spending money but he knew he had to pay players we already had on the roster like Cam, Luke, Star, etc. He would rather save the money to pay them. Keep in mind money saved from one year carries onto the next so you'll eventually use up all the cap space. 

He did not want to get rid of TD or Olsen. Why would you pay them now when they are playing at a high level? Your better off paying them later when their skills decline. It like buying a stock when its high and you know its going to drop. Would you pay TD this yr at 8mil a yr or would you pay TD in 2 yrs when he is older and in decline where you could lock him in at 4mil. Your basically giving them free money and its going to hurt the team in the long run. 

[Doc Holiday]

1 hour ago, pantherclaw said:

Moronic thread of the year.

Brah, have you been on here lately?

The thread where the guys were freaking out that we werent signing a WR that the Ravens only looked at and didnt sign themselves is easily top 10 for the year. this one doesnt even register.

[TheCableGuy]

2 minutes ago, SOJA said:

I can understand why people don't like David Gettleman the person. 

But it's laughable to think he was anything less than a top 10, arguably a top 5 GM during his time here. 

The NFL isn't a popularity contest

Cut Smitty

Lowballed Jordan Gross who then retired and left us with no LT and got stuck with Bryon Bell.

remove the tag from Norman which then left with 2 rookies starting coming off a superbowl year.

Also when he cut smitty in our wr core that year was rookie bejamin,cotch,jason avant,philly brown.just awful and he also refuse to sign ted ginn aswell and he made that mistake again this off season.

so yeah Dave made alot of terrible moves while he was here and don't deserve all this worship he gets.