Dave Gettleman Was A Terrible GM.

[AceBoogie]

16 hours ago, thomas96 said:

4 out of 5 years in the playoffs kind of speaks for itself...

Will you use the same logic seeing as Hurney is 1 for 1 in his second go round. 

[AceBoogie]

1 hour ago, Mr. Scot said:

Oh so now it's because Newton wasn't good enough until he got experience.

You really do embarrass yourself on here.

You’re denying the value of experience at the QB position? Is Cam better now than his rookie season? 

[Toomers]

2 minutes ago, AceBoogie said:

Will you use the same logic seeing as Hurney is 1 for 1 in his second go round. 

If Gettleman hadn’t run this years draft and FA, you would be right. But he did, so it’s not the same and you’re wrong.

[ncfan]

13 hours ago, csx said:

I'm curious of there are actually new posters starting these threads or if this is the same small group of people who post here all day under different logins. Whenever a significant event occurs you get a bunch of brash and idiotic new usernames.

Its got to be

They are sitting there still pouting in their Smitty or JNo jersey they bought when they first started following the team in 2011

 

The reason Gettleman isnt here anymore is because different views than the owner.  Had this Richardson stuff came out last year and he sold the team, we'd still have Gettleman

Gettleman's priorities were winning and it being business

Richardson's was about being loyal to his buddies and making as much $$$ as he can.  Thus the reason you saw him quickly bring Hurney back who was a yes man and fit those check boxes for him.  You dont see that anywhere else.  You wont see the browns come back and hire the GM of this dumpster fire whenever they get out of this rut and maybe won some playoff games

 

Hurney was a God Awful drafter outside the 1st round.  Look he did hit on Norman but he was a trash drafter.  They keep pounding he got Cam, He got Cam

Yeah he got Cam because we had the #1 pick................Because we were the Worst, Dead Last, Most Losses, Least Wins, in the league.  The blaming it on Richardson purposely tanking is trash and is just someone who has Zero leg of a argument and has to throw some craziness out there.  Im guessing the Browns have been Tanking to the last handful of years to for some purpose.  We drafted Cam in that draft that included Von Mill, AJ Green, Julio, Patrick Peterson, Tyron Smith, JJ Watt, Aldon Smith, and Marcel Dareus as well in the top 11 picks.  So there was a Really good shot at hitting a All-Pro player there.

We HAD to go QB there because, again back to poor drafting, his 2nd round pick the year before (a QB) was a flop and we drafted his replacement after 1 season.  We also couldnt draft Cam some help there at the 33rd pick because it was already spent on Armanti Edwards (who didnt last long here) the year before.  We were also stuck where we couldnt get help either.  Remember we had 2 of the top 5 HIGHEST Paid RBs under contract on our books.

 

I didnt agree with getting rid of Smith.  But Gross and JNO yes.  Most Gettleman bashes wernt around to remember that Gross was on the fence talking retirement the 2 previous seasons before we got rid of him to help pry open some cap space.  JNO had 1.5 good seasons, he Publicly stated Multiple times that he wanted to be the highest paid CB.  In interviews, on shows like the NFL pregame show on ESPN he worked during the bye, and multiple media outlet.  Gettleman wasnt going down that road again that Hurney went down.  KK and Turner were more important to this team than Norman.  We sign Norman we are not getting KK, thats facts.  The resending the tag was a little dirty, but thats his agents fault and by the time JNo went to backtrack and get a new Agent it was over.  He shouldve hired a real agent vs a buddy.  Had he done that, not held out refusing to sign the tag going into late april and draft crunch time.

There is a reason why we didnt start winning until Gettleman didnt start puzzling together pieces in place.  The not having a vet QB is about as dumb of a excuse as the Richardson tanking.  

It wasnt the QB, it was what was around him

McClain, Fua, Hogan Pilares, Zac Williams, Lawerence Wilson, Amini, Frank Alexander, Joe Adams, Armanti, Norwood, Gettis, Lafail, Jordan Pugh, RJ Stanford, Everrett Brown, Sherrod Martin, Corey Irvin, Goodson, Duke Robinson all drafted in 2009-2012 (all in that rookie contract 4 year window for Cams first 2 seasons).  Also those other former picks were locked up to mega deals leaving us breathing room, CJ was at one point one of the top 5 highest paid 4-3 DEs.  Good player but not near that money.

Some "non-vet" QBs 

Dak year 1, playoff team

Wentz and Goffs teams may be the top 2 seeds this year in year 2.

 

Now enough of Hurney Bashing

Gettleman brought in the pieces for us to puzzle and win.

Someone mentioned him cutting Ginn twice.  People forget the first time, he wanted decent $$ coming off a good year.  Gettleman said no so he went to Arizona, we still made the playoffs and he was gone from Arizona resigning here back to his worth.

 

His draft picks wernt as bad either.  Now the Bradberry draft seems a bust but the rest were solid.  KB seems like a bust now.  But people seem to tune out he burst out as a rookie having as good a season as ODBj and Evans.  Followed by coming into camp next year looking unstoppable making JNO his b!tch.  Then he tore his ACL and never looked the same.  Another one Bene, was graded the top rookie CB his rookie season and started off good year 2 forming one of the better duo's in the league wirh him and Norman until he broke his leg Atlanta game.

KB and Bene dont go down hurt people woupd be singing a different tune

[AceBoogie]

Just now, Toomers said:

If Gettleman hadn’t run this years draft and FA, you would be right. But he did, so it’s not the same and you’re wrong.

Eh a couple of moves were made by Hurney. Nobody is giving credit to Hurney for the 12-4 of Gettlemans first year. 

I get pegged as a Hurney go I’m not. I think both Hurney and Gettleman have major flaws. The ideal GM is someone in the middle of both of them. 

But I have said and will always say the biggest reason why the Panthers have had success under Gettleman and now is the maturation of Ron Rivera as a head coach and Cam Newton as a quarterback combined with the dominance of Luke. 

[Car123]

40 minutes ago, yasuhara2241 said:

Which key positions do you believe he ignored? Remember picking up players via FA wasn't really an option with limited cap space. 

Wasting money on pretenders: Coleman has been great for us until this year where he has struggled. But so far not a waste. Jury is out on Kalil and Shepard, but not looking good yet. Also look how much $$ we paid Coleman and Shep not a lot at all. And Kalil wasn't expensive for a LT but he still hasn't looked that good. 

Dumpster diving busts: You bring up some cheap FA and call them busts? That's called the NFL. Some work, some don't. Luckily for us a lot worked. 

Hogmolies make a team a super bowl contender: Well they certainly don't hurt! Star, Short, Trai Turner, Norwell, Daryl Williams. Those are great pieces. 

Wasting 1st round picks: You are talking about the 25th & 30th pick in the draft. They are not going to be homeruns. Shaq is a double and a starter who plays multiple positions. Vernon is on the bench, but been hampered by injuries so it's hard to gauge but right now it's not looking good for him.

Ignored the safety and LT position in the draft.

Coleman was meh in ‘16 as well. Giving a nobody (Shepard) 10 million is what below average GM’s do.

Yes. He thought DeCoud was starter material. Bad for a GM with a reputation for being an amazing talent evaluator.

His problem was putting all his focus on hogmolies. What you get is 3 high round DT’s.

This is no excuse. People think top 10 picks are automatic. There are the same amount of busts in the first half of round 1 as there are in the 2nd half. If it’s automatic the Browns, Bears, and Bucs would be Super Bowl contenders.

[Toomers]

1 minute ago, AceBoogie said:

Eh a couple of moves were made by Hurney. Nobody is giving credit to Hurney for the 12-4 of Gettlemans first year. 

I get pegged as a Hurney go I’m not. I think both Hurney and Gettleman have major flaws. The ideal GM is someone in the middle of both of them. 

But I have said and will always say the biggest reason why the Panthers have had success under Gettleman and now is the maturation of Ron Rivera as a head coach and Cam Newton as a quarterback combined with the dominance of Luke. 

 What moves? Gano? Could argue he could have gotten similar and cheaper results from Butler. KB? Had no problem getting rid of him but should have tried at least acquire a replacement. Mainly because what has happened. Injuries. But I still agree with the trade. So what else really?

 Explain how this compares to running an entire off-season.

[Mr. Scot]

3 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Ignored the safety and LT position in the draft.

Coleman was meh in ‘16 as well. Giving a nobody (Shepard) 10 million is what below average GM’s do.

Yes. He thought DeCoud was starter material. Bad for a GM with a reputation for being an amazing talent evaluator.

His problem was putting all his focus on hogmolies. What you get is 3 high round DT’s.

This is no excuse. People think top 10 picks are automatic. There are the same amount of busts in the first half of round 1 as there are in the 2nd half. If it’s automatic the Browns, Bears, and Bucs would be Super Bowl contenders.

Trust me: If you wanna argue for Hurney, you really don't wanna bring free agency performance into the discussion.

[Car123]

11 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Trust me: If you wanna argue for Hurney, you really don't wanna bring free agency performance into the discussion.

Stephen Davis, Delhomme, Wahle, Ken Lucas, Keyshawn, Proehl, Mark Fields.

Hurney was a great GM when JR didn’t interfere (‘02-‘08). Only disappointing season was 2006.

[uncfan888]

Slurp slurp slurp... Please let us get a new GM

[Mr. Scot]

8 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Hurney was a great GM when Hurney didn’t interfere (‘02-‘08).

So very true

And touting Keyshawn as a success? Hilarious.

Likewise, Ken Lucas?  Really?  Outside of getting punched in the face by Steve Smith, Ken Lucas didn't exactly do anything to make himself especially memorable.

But lemme give you some other names...

Haruki Nakamura

D J Hackett

Legedu Naanee

Olindo Mare

Ricardo Colclough

Doug Brzezinski

Kevin Dyson

Travis Claridge

Terrence Shaw

Idrees Bashir

Freddie Jones

LaBrandon Toefield

For that matter, if you check the record books you'll find there were free agent years when we signed...nobody (we couldn't afford it).

[Car123]

1 minute ago, Mr. Scot said:

So very true

And touting Keyshawn as a success? Hilarious.

Likewise, Ken Lucas?  Really?  Outside of getting punched in the face by Steve Smith, Ken Lucas didn't exactly do anything to make himself especially memorable.

But lemme give you some other names...

Haruki Nakamura

D J Hackett

Legedu Naanee

Olindo Mare

Ricardo Colclough

Doug Brzezinski

Kevin Dyson

Travis Claridge

Terrence Shaw

Idrees Bashir

Freddie Jones

LaBrandon Toefield

For that matter, if you check the record books you'll find there were free agent years when we signed...nobody (we couldn't afford it).

He was poo after 08. 

And most of those players you listed weren’t signed to play a big role. It’s like me listing Brian Folkerts, Brandon Williams, Tavarres King as Gettleman’s FA busts.

[heel31ok]

15 hours ago, thomas96 said:

He was the GM for the whole offseason before this year, this year definitely counts for him. Large majority of work done by a GM for a season is before training camp. Yes there are later moves like Hurney’s trades, etc. but that is of little importance compared to moves pre-camp.

so..? shared at best...

[Car123]

25 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

So very true

And touting Keyshawn as a success? Hilarious.

Likewise, Ken Lucas?  Really?  Outside of getting punched in the face by Steve Smith, Ken Lucas didn't exactly do anything to make himself especially memorable.

But lemme give you some other names...

Haruki Nakamura

D J Hackett

Legedu Naanee

Olindo Mare

Ricardo Colclough

Doug Brzezinski

Kevin Dyson

Travis Claridge

Terrence Shaw

Idrees Bashir

Freddie Jones

LaBrandon Toefield

For that matter, if you check the record books you'll find there were free agent years when we signed...nobody (we couldn't afford it).

Lucas had 6 ints in 05. He and Gamble made a damn good tandem. If Worley achieved that this season he would be considered a legend by many huddlers.

Keyshawn wasn’t a bust. Many here would sell their soul for our #2 wr to have 70 catches and 815 yards next season.