The Ravens Worked Out WR Jeremey Kerley Today

[AggieLean]

What was the purpose of posting that? Both CJ and Peppers have been popped for Peds, yet they’re both on the team and celebrated.

[PntherPryd]

14 hours ago, AceBoogie said:

The Browns wr Group is better than ours

I noticed Bug Howard on their practice squad.

[PntherPryd]

6 hours ago, WOW!! said:

How about this logic..

1 team with 5 super bowls wins 7 Superbowl trips and makes the playoffs every year ..Does the try anything bring players in and see if they workout method.. To fix issue with the roster going into the playoffs..

Another team with 0 Superbowl wins 1 Superbowl trip and no back to back winning seasons.. Does the stand pat do nothing and pray some trash on this roster steps up when issues happen..

Which one of these methods seem to work out better?? 

 

I need to know who team two is before I make a decision.

 

Panthers have been to two Superbowls so that rules them out.

 

[WOW!!]

6 hours ago, Rags said:

And you keep proving my point I love this.

You just cherry picked my post apart to only fit the narritive you had, then for some reason just assumed that Bersin would be on the same trajectory for the rest of his carrer and not improve while ignoring points I pointed out (Bersin's snap count has gone down since 2014, to the point where he was only in for 5% of our offensive plays last year) while ignoring things a "Panther Fan" should find obvious (We rarely run 4-wide, often opting for a FB/TE in the back field or Pistol or two TE) 

And then you're still not correct in your argument 

You really do not know how to do anything but look at stats at surface level.

Justin Hardy (325 snaps), Brandon Coleman (628 snaps) and and Chris Goodwin (390 snaps) all have Way More snaps than Bersin this season. And all of these players have played in all 15 games this season. In fact, Coleman has started 6 Games this season! 

And while you're aggregating all of Bersin's carrer stats, note he did this with only 443 carrer snaps.

So for comparison, let's say Bersin's 443 carrer snaps (his load of chances, remember?) was just this season, he'd have more yards than Coleman, with 628 snaps and 6 starts this season! Wow!

Lol you're not good at this.

No dumbass  (mod edit;  you are all doing well in arguing your positions without personal attacks, keep that up) you miss the point.. There is a reason for 4 years he has been here he has not put up "Normal" 4th 5th WR's numbers.. They don't see him as that and when he's had the opportunity to prove them differently..... He sucked ....again not being able to beat tight 1 on 1 coverage from below avg. DB's consistently.. Not really being a help on special teams.. Pretty much only being reliable to make 1 or 2 plays in Zone coverage a year... 

You said he could be a number 4 Wr..  I showed you just in our division what number 4 WR usually do.. And that in 4 year he has never been close to that..

I don't assume I know he won't ever get better.. 

1. He won't have a job after Jerry sells the team..

2. It's been 4 years usually it only takes WR 2 years to develop after that it is what is...

3. His value and snaps have drop every year for a reason.. He's horrible on special teams.. He doesn't get open or make contested rec. consistently And his has no athletic upside.. Her won't get any faster, quicker, or stronger than he is now..

Name a WR who blew up in year 5 of his career not producing poo 4 years prior??

Don't worry I'll wait..

[WOW!!]

6 hours ago, weyco2000 said:

Who led the team in receiving yards Sunday? The guy has made some plays the last couple games, give the guy some credit. Bet Godwin would trade place with him. Coleman has been really good, but for  a 4th rounder Hardy has been a bust. It’s like comparing Cam’s numbers to Brees or Brady to make a point.

1. So.. He has been here 4 years.  D Jarred had a great game against the Saints 1 time to.. Should we give him credit for not being a complete and utter bust.??

2. Proven my point.. Better players or "actual 4th WR talent" Put up better numbers than Bersin ever has.. So ...... maybe ..  ... He isn't a 4th WR talented player.. 

3. Oh dam how can I compare Bersin to other ppl doing the job we wanted him to do for "4years" now in 1 season. .... Dam that is wrong and unfair of me..

 

Sorry!! Smh..

[WOW!!]

53 minutes ago, PntherPryd said:

 

I need to know who team two is before I make a decision.

 

Panthers have been to two Superbowls so that rules them out.

 

I was only using current coach, to QB, to Owner combination..

Point still remains.. The team that is the standard for every team in the league does things differently from you.. 

[WOW!!]

7 hours ago, Rags said:

You know for someone super knowledgeable 

Russel Sheppard last season had one less snap (442) than Bersin has had his whole carrer so far (443)

And also he started 4 games last year. 4 games not playing the #4-5 spot lol. 

Your argument was centered around Bersin has been given loads of chances and has constantly fallen flat on his face and has shown nothing.

While I've literally used numbers to prove he's been...just average his carrer. His "loads of chances" have added up to an average season for some WRs, in fact his numbers add up better than those guys you listed this season.

I'm not saying Bersin is any long term answer, or even better than any of the guys you've mentioned (maybe Coleman. Probably Coleman.), Infact I've said having him play #2 is not really a good situation. But he's not some worst case "we're all doomed and the coaches don't care" scenario you make it out to be.

You've yet to throw anything at me to make me feel any different.

E: LMAO HOLY poo YOUR POST ISN'T EVEN RIGHT

Bersin's carrer stats are 30/379/1

Russel's stats last year were 23/341/2

The only thing he was better than Bersin in was a whole 1 TD.

Holy poo you can't even read numbers right.

 

Again missing the point.. 

Russell earned those snaps by 

Being more consistent as a Wr..

And being good on special teams enough to be a captain..

You know...... what .....Normal 4th and 5th WR do. 

Thanks for making my point.. 

You glorified the brief opportunities he got and never focused on why he doesn't get more.. Again after 4 years in the league...

And plus the fact you missed a Panther Playoff game?? So you admit you've not been a real fan..  Smh..

It was a divisional round playoff game as well.. 1 game from the Nfc championship game and you missed it?? Gtfo..

 

[Rags]

6 hours ago, WOW!! said:

No dumbass  (mod edit;  you are all doing well in arguing your positions without personal attacks, keep that up) you miss the point.. There is a reason for 4 years he has been here he has not put up "Normal" 4th 5th WR's numbers.. They don't see him as that and when he's had the opportunity to prove them differently..... He sucked ....again not being able to beat tight 1 on 1 coverage from below avg. DB's consistently.. Not really being a help on special teams.. Pretty much only being reliable to make 1 or 2 plays in Zone coverage a year... 

You said he could be a number 4 Wr..  I showed you just in our division what number 4 WR usually do.. And that in 4 year he has never been close to that..

I don't assume I know he won't ever get better.. 

1. He won't have a job after Jerry sells the team..

2. It's been 4 years usually it only takes WR 2 years to develop after that it is what is...

3. His value and snaps have drop every year for a reason.. He's horrible on special teams.. He doesn't get open or make contested rec. consistently And his has no athletic upside.. Her won't get any faster, quicker, or stronger than he is now..

Name a WR who blew up in year 5 of his career not producing poo 4 years prior??

Don't worry I'll wait..

I'll give you this -- I'm not sure how many of Bersin's catches we're vs man compared to vs zone. I'm not sure where to check that.

However based on your arguments, and previous post history, I'm not just gonna take you at face value. You don't even know when Bersin was put on the roster this year.

But like I've shown, time and time again. Bersin has as many carrer snaps as some guys, the guys you listed, have this season alone. In 2015 and 2016 he didn't even have 100 snaps. You could make the argument that the staff didn't trust Bersin to put him on the field more, which is fair, and I'll get to that later. But you keep saying he gets loads of opportunities. He hasn't, 

You keep bringing up Bersin's carrer numbers like that's some terrible mark of a WR who's played a full 4 years, but he hasn't. Ever. He's only been on the roster for more than 10 games once. He's had more than 100 snaps in a season twice counting this year. And, again, with 463 carrer snaps, he has as many as the #4 WRs you listed, who, again, have as many yards, receptions and TDs as all the guys you've mentioned. Brandon Coleman has 600 snaps this season alone and way less yards than Bersin did his whole carrer with 200 more snaps.

Now, I'm not comparing their stats to say they suck and Bersin is better than these guys. No, not at all, what I'm saying is your argument doesn't hold weight to say these guys seasons are better than Bersin's whole carrer, when he has as many carrer snaps as the guys this season, and he's on par with them. Since you want to use Bersin's carrer trajectory to say what his stats will be in the future, do the inverse and show me what Coleman, Hardy and Goodwin's numbers would be with 151 snaps this season, or the 63 and 99 the previous two years.

Another thing wrong with your comparison it's run under the assumption we run the same personnel groups as often as other teams. This is grossly false. We use fullbacks more often than any other team, and we don't run 4 or 5 wide very often. This means not just Bersin, but any 4th or 5th WR on our roster will look Very Pedestrian. I have a whole spread about how much playing time, but I wasn't able to finish it and I have poo I need to do, but I'll be more than happy to post it when it's finished, trust me.

But I'm gonna wrap this up quickly

1. He wouldn't have a job this season if it weren't for the Kelvin trade and we were healthy.  Not catching your point here as I have said time and time again I don't think Bersin should be on the roster next season and we need to improve our WR core. You seem to think he's only on the roster because of nepotisim, if that was the case he wouldn't have been cut during preseason every year except one. Do you really think Jerry is just sitting there waiting for a WR to get hurt and he rings up Gettleman/Hurney to say "you better sign Bersin."? He's bought back for a reason: The coaches trust him. Can trusts him.

2. Soooo...Funchess should've been good last year? And Devante Adams should've blown up in 2015? Get out of here with that. 

3. I don't disagree. The back part of our depth chart for WRs is usually reserved for special teams. Which is why he wasn't on the Week 1 roster this year. Or last year. Or the year before. He's not a starter. He probably never will be a starter. But that doesn't mean he can't or hasn't improve or he doesn't have his uses. The fact that when he's called on he steps up and does his job (despite the fact you close your eyes and scream NO HE HASN'T doesn't make it not true.) When we ask him to is why he's back. It's why players like Pilares, Edwards, and even Philly (587 snaps 8 starts and only 287 yards last season and being no help on special teams and people wonder why he isn't back) haven't come back. He's a back up. A JAG. Only really for emergencies. But he knows the system and why he's brought back when we need him. 

And to answer your question, Wes Weller and Brandon Lloyd. Just off the top of my head. Not really getting your point here though - when did I ever say he'd blow up?

Anyway I'll post the spread later and reply to your other post when I have the time.

[WOW!!]

57 minutes ago, Rags said:

I'll give you this -- I'm not sure how many of Bersin's catches we're vs man compared to vs zone. I'm not sure where to check that.

However based on your arguments, and previous post history, I'm not just gonna take you at face value. You don't even know when Bersin was put on the roster this year.

But like I've shown, time and time again. Bersin has as many carrer snaps as some guys, the guys you listed, have this season alone. In 2015 and 2016 he didn't even have 100 snaps. You could make the argument that the staff didn't trust Bersin to put him on the field more, which is fair, and I'll get to that later. But you keep saying he gets loads of opportunities. He hasn't, 

You keep bringing up Bersin's carrer numbers like that's some terrible mark of a WR who's played a full 4 years, but he hasn't. Ever. He's only been on the roster for more than 10 games once. He's had more than 100 snaps in a season twice counting this year. And, again, with 463 carrer snaps, he has as many as the #4 WRs you listed, who, again, have as many yards, receptions and TDs as all the guys you've mentioned. Brandon Coleman has 600 snaps this season alone and way less yards than Bersin did his whole carrer with 200 more snaps.

Now, I'm not comparing their stats to say they suck and Bersin is better than these guys. No, not at all, what I'm saying is your argument doesn't hold weight to say these guys seasons are better than Bersin's whole carrer, when he has as many carrer snaps as the guys this season, and he's on par with them. Since you want to use Bersin's carrer trajectory to say what his stats will be in the future, do the inverse and show me what Coleman, Hardy and Goodwin's numbers would be with 151 snaps this season, or the 63 and 99 the previous two years.

Another thing wrong with your comparison it's run under the assumption we run the same personnel groups as often as other teams. This is grossly false. We use fullbacks more often than any other team, and we don't run 4 or 5 wide very often. This means not just Bersin, but any 4th or 5th WR on our roster will look Very Pedestrian. I have a whole spread about how much playing time, but I wasn't able to finish it and I have poo I need to do, but I'll be more than happy to post it when it's finished, trust me.

But I'm gonna wrap this up quickly

1. He wouldn't have a job this season if it weren't for the Kelvin trade and we were healthy.  Not catching your point here as I have said time and time again I don't think Bersin should be on the roster next season and we need to improve our WR core. You seem to think he's only on the roster because of nepotisim, if that was the case he wouldn't have been cut during preseason every year except one. Do you really think Jerry is just sitting there waiting for a WR to get hurt and he rings up Gettleman/Hurney to say "you better sign Bersin."? He's bought back for a reason: The coaches trust him. Can trusts him.

2. Soooo...Funchess should've been good last year? And Devante Adams should've blown up in 2015? Get out of here with that. 

3. I don't disagree. The back part of our depth chart for WRs is usually reserved for special teams. Which is why he wasn't on the Week 1 roster this year. Or last year. Or the year before. He's not a starter. He probably never will be a starter. But that doesn't mean he can't or hasn't improve or he doesn't have his uses. The fact that when he's called on he steps up and does his job (despite the fact you close your eyes and scream NO HE HASN'T doesn't make it not true.) When we ask him to is why he's back. It's why players like Pilares, Edwards, and even Philly (587 snaps 8 starts and only 287 yards last season and being no help on special teams and people wonder why he isn't back) haven't come back. He's a back up. A JAG. Only really for emergencies. But he knows the system and why he's brought back when we need him. 

And to answer your question, Wes Weller and Brandon Lloyd. Just off the top of my head. Not really getting your point here though - when did I ever say he'd blow up?

Anyway I'll post the spread later and reply to your other post when I have the time.

Only thing i have to respond to is the 2 year development.. Since you pretty much figure out Bersin is trash and the 2 or 3 catches he makes  a year that may help get a 1st down won't change that...

Hell Dominck Hickson made the TD catch to beat the Saints and win the Division 2013.. And nobody is sucking him off like some ppl do Bersin for his 2 or 3 impactful catches a year...

Funch is in his 3rd season.. 

2 years of learning the pro game and developing and by your 3rd you should be producing to your talent level..

61 rec. 792yards 7tds

Point proving..

Brandon Lloyd started producing 3rd and 4th WR numbers his 3rd year.. So wrong..

Wes got no playing time and was hurt his 1st year and was only a special teamer his 2nd year.. He started getting playing time on offense his 3rd.. by his 4th he was putting up numbers... While at the same time being a great special teamer.  Doing his job as a 4th WR before elevating  to 3rd and 2nd wr..

So wrong again.. Add subtext and do a little research next time..

[ChibCU]

On 12/26/2017 at 4:56 PM, *FreeFua* said:

The Browns also passed on Carson Wentz, Jared Goff and Deshaun Watson

I sincerely believe all of those QB's careers would have been destroyed if they suited up from the Browns.

[Rags]

8 hours ago, WOW!! said:

Only thing i have to respond to is the 2 year development.. Since you pretty much figure out Bersin is trash and the 2 or 3 catches he makes  a year that may help get a 1st down won't change that...

Hell Dominck Hickson made the TD catch to beat the Saints and win the Division 2013.. And nobody is sucking him off like some ppl do Bersin for his 2 or 3 impactful catches a year...

Funch is in his 3rd season.. 

2 years of learning the pro game and developing and by your 3rd you should be producing to your talent level..

61 rec. 792yards 7tds

Point proving..

Brandon Lloyd started producing 3rd and 4th WR numbers his 3rd year.. So wrong..

Wes got no playing time and was hurt his 1st year and was only a special teamer his 2nd year.. He started getting playing time on offense his 3rd.. by his 4th he was putting up numbers... While at the same time being a great special teamer.  Doing his job as a 4th WR before elevating  to 3rd and 2nd wr..

So wrong again.. Add subtext and do a little research next time..

Bersin actually had 15 catches (forin 2014, coincidentally the year he had his most snaps.

Which is my Entire Point.

Would Bersin perform like a #2 WR consistently? Probably not. But with the chances he was given, he's preformed well enough and for (hopefully) 5 games that's all we need him to do. If he has 15 catches between now and us holding a Lombardy that's more than enough. If he did that in 2014, his first year on a NFL roster, and by logic of reason has even improved even just a minute, what would say he couldn't do that now, in 2017, for 5 more games at most? 

Anyways, no I didn't do research, that's why I said "just off the top of my head."  I didn't really have time nor really cared to since I was never arguing Bersin would "blow up."

As for the Devin thing, again, was rushing and thought you meant by "two years" you meant, year two since you prefaced it by referring to Bersin's fourth season as "It's been 4 years." In any case it's my fault, but I agree it does normally take 3 seasons to tell if a WR is worth poo or not. However, again, Bersin hasn't had a full 3 seasons yet, again, like you said mostly because he's not anything on special teams, and he's not a good enough WR to take up a spot from someone who is. But that doesn't make him as bad or as garbage as you're making him out to be. 

 

[Rags]

15 hours ago, WOW!! said:

Again missing the point.. 

Russell earned those snaps by 

Being more consistent as a Wr..

And being good on special teams enough to be a captain..

You know...... what .....Normal 4th and 5th WR do. 

Thanks for making my point.. 

You glorified the brief opportunities he got and never focused on why he doesn't get more.. Again after 4 years in the league...

And plus the fact you missed a Panther Playoff game?? So you admit you've not been a real fan..  Smh..

It was a divisional round playoff game as well.. 1 game from the Nfc championship game and you missed it?? Gtfo..

 

Except that wasn't your point.

Your post was -- from beginning to end -- "Russell Sheppard had more yards last year than Bersin's whole carrer."

Which on top of being false, wasn't what you were arguing.

I have never once argued that Shep didn't deserve his spot then, or that he didn't deserve a shot with us, or that he's not better than Bersin. I still like Shep and think if he had better hands this thread wouldn't even exist. 

Also, the only reason I've "glorified" on Bersin's brief opportunities is because you kept making the argument that he had tons of them. Which is false. I've never said he's desrved more, but whether we like it or not, he's going to get them, and I'm just using his previous stats to say "hey he's not as terrible as we're making him out to be."

And, yes, I missed probably a little less than a half of football, to spend time with one of my best friends. And, yes, I'm still a Panther fan. I have nothing to prove to you especially since this has absolutely nothing to do with this argument.

[WOW!!]

11 hours ago, Rags said:

Bersin actually had 15 catches (forin 2014, coincidentally the year he had his most snaps.

Which is my Entire Point.

Would Bersin perform like a #2 WR consistently? Probably not. But with the chances he was given, he's preformed well enough and for (hopefully) 5 games that's all we need him to do. If he has 15 catches between now and us holding a Lombardy that's more than enough. If he did that in 2014, his first year on a NFL roster, and by logic of reason has even improved even just a minute, what would say he couldn't do that now, in 2017, for 5 more games at most? 

Anyways, no I didn't do research, that's why I said "just off the top of my head."  I didn't really have time nor really cared to since I was never arguing Bersin would "blow up."

As for the Devin thing, again, was rushing and thought you meant by "two years" you meant, year two since you prefaced it by referring to Bersin's fourth season as "It's been 4 years." In any case it's my fault, but I agree it does normally take 3 seasons to tell if a WR is worth poo or not. However, again, Bersin hasn't had a full 3 seasons yet, again, like you said mostly because he's not anything on special teams, and he's not a good enough WR to take up a spot from someone who is. But that doesn't make him as bad or as garbage as you're making him out to be. 

 

That's exactly makes him garbage..

He isn't good enough as a WR or special teamer to have a spot..

His lack of opportunity says so..

When he did get opportunities he did nothing special. Couldn't get open consistently has suspect hands when contested..

 

[WOW!!]

11 hours ago, Rags said:

Except that wasn't your point.

Your post was -- from beginning to end -- "Russell Sheppard had more yards last year than Bersin's whole carrer."

Which on top of being false, wasn't what you were arguing.

I have never once argued that Shep didn't deserve his spot then, or that he didn't deserve a shot with us, or that he's not better than Bersin. I still like Shep and think if he had better hands this thread wouldn't even exist. 

Also, the only reason I've "glorified" on Bersin's brief opportunities is because you kept making the argument that he had tons of them. Which is false. I've never said he's desrved more, but whether we like it or not, he's going to get them, and I'm just using his previous stats to say "hey he's not as terrible as we're making him out to be."

And, yes, I missed probably a little less than a half of football, to spend time with one of my best friends. And, yes, I'm still a Panther fan. I have nothing to prove to you especially since this has absolutely nothing to do with this argument.

That was my point.. As I've said again and again.. And are you really claiming victory over 1 yard.. 1 yard Bersin had more in 3 1/3 season over Sheppard's one season.lol