The Ravens Worked Out WR Jeremey Kerley Today

[bLACKpANTHER]

With Jerry on the way out - he's not gunna pay another cent on the roster, facility or whatever unless its just to keep things moving.. Signing anyone else would just be extra money he dusnt rly need to pay..

[KendrickPanther]

Maybe we can get Usain Bolt. 

[KendrickPanther]

Maybe the Piss excellence guy is available. Remember when we traded a pick for him?

[jasonluckydog]

We're rushing 200 plus a game we're ok

[WOW!!]

2 hours ago, Rags said:

It's weird how I can have conversations and debates with many other people, and bring up stats and facts to back it up, here but you on your Higher Plain of Football Knowledge (lol) just chooses to ignore them and with your Higher Standards (lol) resort to childish insults instead.

But please, I enjoy talking football, just like I did, in this thread and a few others with Fua, and I love learning about and improving my football knowledge. So please tell me in my counter arguments you failed to respond to, where I'm wrong. Bless me with your football knowledge. 

Good thing he made 3 catches Sunday. whew. He should meet your standards!

If he fugs up like he did that one drop, sure. He deserves to get poo on. But he has one bad play this season while contributing when called on. But nah let's bring up what he did 3 years ago.

Where you are wrong..

1. 6 rec in 15 games doesn't make you clutch reliable or "you stepped  up"..

2. The difference between making  example to help a analogy.. And talking stats.. 

3. Bersin avg . 4 rec 80 yards and .001 td a season.. Stop trying to convince people he's  good..

4. He has been giving a chance after chance.... the problem is he doesn't succeed..  let's go thru the list.. Look at his snaps vs his production .. When you find that information and realize you don't have a clue.. Make sure you admit this mistake as well..

 

[NeedSumD]

Just now, jasonluckydog said:

We're rushing 200 plus a game we're ok

  If we go out and sign some washed up WR that did something back in 2014 it will suddenly turn Cam into a Hall of fame pocket passer.   We had an entire receiving core over 6 ft 6 and they still got overthrown were a run first team for a reason.   If we had KB it would turn Cam into a HOF pocket passer we had KB early in the year and it was some of Cams worse games.  You know those 3 int 1 TD's games with KB on the filed.   He has Funchess, Olsen , CMC  those 3 are better than anyone sitting on there coucgh eating potato chips

 

[Ja Rhule]

Why did we IR Fred Ross?  He ran 4’4 in college.

[Ja Rhule]

Mose Frazier is slow but quick and good route runner.  Mose won’t burn anyone but will get open for 10-15 yard ganes.  Clay is a shitty route runner but he’s quick and fast. Shepherd is also fast but also shitty route runner.

Clay can really make a huge impact if he can run better routes.

[DaveThePanther2008]

6 hours ago, WOW!! said:

Sound like Sheppard and Bersin.. But Floyd was also a back up option for them and didn't get a lot of snaps.. The example was to prove winning teams don't sit pat.. They make moves and try poo..

Based on this logic than we can sign whoever you want and if they sit on the  pine during the playoffs you are OK with it.  Just as long as we sign someone?

This inept guys on our roster have one thing that ANYONE we sign doesn't.  Chemistry and knows our system.  Do you really think a player coming off the waiver wire is going to make a difference?  They have to learn our plays and know what route they have to run on each of those plays and he has less than a week to do it. 11 days if you are looking at the playoffs only.

If any player that had that skill than they would have already been on a Roster.   

Everyone hates Bersin but minus the ball that was intercepted.  He has been getting open and catching balls.  Cam trusts him.  Clay as well.

We have to hope these players step up.   I know most of  you hate it but unless someone comes out of retirement.  We aren't going to get any better signing a castoff just to sign a cast off.

[Ja Rhule]

For those who concerned with our WR speed.  Just remember that #1 WR in NFL over the last few years runs 4.5 40 yard dash.  Yes, I’m talking about Antonio Brown.  Brown is an amazing route runner and creates ton of room by smooth routes.  Adam Theilen also runs 4.5. NO Michael Thomas runs 4.6 40....  I can go on and on.  Mose Frazier might be the smoothest route runner on Carolina roster right now.

[Rags]

1 hour ago, WOW!! said:

Where you are wrong..

1. 6 rec in 15 games doesn't make you clutch reliable or "you stepped  up"..

2. The difference between making  example to help a analogy.. And talking stats.. 

3. Bersin avg . 4 rec 80 yards and .001 td a season.. Stop trying to convince people he's  good..

4. He has been giving a chance after chance.... the problem is he doesn't succeed..  let's go thru the list.. Look at his snaps vs his production .. When you find that information and realize you don't have a clue.. Make sure you admit this mistake as well..

 

Thanks for replying! Shows that your previous post about being Super Knowledgeable about football is complete BS!

1. Bersin has only been on the roster this season since Nov. 1st, he was signed after the KB trade, before the Falcons game in week 9, so 7 weeks. At this time, he was still behind Funch, Samuel, and Shep. Even after Samuel went down, Byrd trumped him on the depth chart. So for most of the season he was on the team, he's been the #4 WR at best.

The numbers you posted are for a #4 WR only really getting playing time because of injuries. And you were wrong. Nice.

2. I'll get back to this point I wanna keep focusing on how bad at sports you are.

3. I never said Bersin was good.  Really comprehension showing itself again. I said that Bersin is good enough at his job. He's a #4-5 guy who, when given the chance, has helped our team. I've seen the analogy "if he was cut no other team would look at him." No poo. There's not a lot of #4-5 guys who get looked at on any team, we're not the only team with a Brenton Bersin. Remember playoff hero Jeff Janis for the Packers? Perfect example.

And to back this up -- Bersin has been targeted 10 times this season, caught 6 of them and only dropped the obvious one. And that was only Bersin's second carrer drop. Granted he hasn't gotten a lot of targets throughout his carrer, but he's recently he's been what I've said he's been -- a reliable 4th-5th guy when needed.

I'm gonna say it again to make sure you get it: I never said Bersin was good. Hell I never said he should be our WR#2 going into next year, or even be on the final roster. I've even agreed our WR core is not Very Good right now. 

 4. This is my absolute favorite because you sound so goddamn sure of yourself all you would have to do is a Simple Reference Check to see how much you're talking out of your ass. Since being resigned Bersin has had 131 snaps, only 12% of total snaps. 51 of them come from the TB game alone. 38% of his snaps this season, and 77% of the snaps that game. We only passed 25 times against the Bucs, and most of his playing time came after the Byrd injury, but he had the same amount of catches as Funchess. Huh. Seems like in his first time he actually got Real Playing Time in his carrer he actually did okay. Weird.

For comparison, also this season the most snaps he had in any game was 17 twice. Vs Minn and GB. That sure is a lot of chances he was given huh?

And before you go "WHAT ABOUT PREVIOUS YEARS" last year Bersin had 63 offensive snaps for us. Year before that 99, and 2014 the year we completely retooled our WR core, 150.  5%, 9%, and 13% of our total offensive snaps for the respective years. 

AND FOR MORE FUNSIES Byrd has had 187 snaps this season, 50 more snaps and only 10 total catches. Only 4 more than Ol' Sunshine. Now does this mean Byrd is bad? Not at all, I'm honestly trying to temper my expectations for Byrd to be honest. But, by your logic, he's been give more "chances" than Bersin has this season and has produced only a little bit better. 

Now if you'd like I can compare his stats to other 4th-5th WRs throughout the leauge. I can't be assed to now but I'm almost certain they're Pretty Comparable except for more extreme cases.

Now back to point #2.

Just like above, I do my best to back up all my facts using numbers, stats and proof to the best of my ability. I'll be the first to admit that sometimes I'm a firm believer in football trends being true and thusly always the case (ex: I was big on the overspending in FA is a bad idea train for a long time, but the recent success of teams like the Jags have proven me wrong.) And obviously, there'll be some late season WR pickup who'll be extremely good for their team and possibly be the difference maker. This year ain't that year unless Kenny Britt magically gets better. 

From what I've seen you just take stats and surface level (if you even bother to look up the stats lol) and think you get the whole story.

Bersin isn't ideal. But recent history shows he can fit into this role for the time being and do a solid job at it.

This was fun we should do this again sometime bby.

 

 

 

[DaveThePanther2008]

9 minutes ago, Rags said:

Thanks for replying! Shows that your previous post about being Super Knowledgeable about football is complete BS!

1. Bersin has only been on the roster this season since Nov. 1st, he was signed after the KB trade, before the Falcons game in week 9, so 7 weeks. At this time, he was still behind Funch, Samuel, and Shep. Even after Samuel went down, Byrd trumped him on the depth chart. So for most of the season he was on the team, he's been the #4 WR at best.

The numbers you posted are for a #4 WR only really getting playing time because of injuries. And you were wrong. Nice.

2. I'll get back to this point I wanna keep focusing on how bad at sports you are.

3. I never said Bersin was good.  Really comprehension showing itself again. I said that Bersin is good enough at his job. He's a #4-5 guy who, when given the chance, has helped our team. I've seen the analogy "if he was cut no other team would look at him." No poo. There's not a lot of #4-5 guys who get looked at on any team, we're not the only team with a Brenton Bersin. Remember playoff hero Jeff Janis for the Packers? Perfect example.

And to back this up -- Bersin has been targeted 10 times this season, caught 6 of them and only dropped the obvious one. And that was only Bersin's second carrer drop. Granted he hasn't gotten a lot of targets throughout his carrer, but he's recently he's been what I've said he's been -- a reliable 4th-5th guy when needed.

I'm gonna say it again to make sure you get it: I never said Bersin was good. Hell I never said he should be our WR#2 going into next year, or even be on the final roster. I've even agreed our WR core is not Very Good right now. 

 4. This is my absolute favorite because you sound so goddamn sure of yourself all you would have to do is a Simple Reference Check to see how much you're talking out of your ass. Since being resigned Bersin has had 131 snaps, only 12% of total snaps. 51 of them come from the TB game alone. 38% of his snaps this season, and 77% of the snaps that game. We only passed 25 times against the Bucs, and most of his playing time came after the Byrd injury, but he had the same amount of catches as Funchess. Huh. Seems like in his first time he actually got Real Playing Time in his carrer he actually did okay. Weird.

For comparison, also this season the most snaps he had in any game was 17 twice. Vs Minn and GB. That sure is a lot of chances he was given huh?

And before you go "WHAT ABOUT PREVIOUS YEARS" last year Bersin had 63 offensive snaps for us. Year before that 99, and 2014 the year we completely retooled our WR core, 150.  5%, 9%, and 13% of our total offensive snaps for the respective years. 

AND FOR MORE FUNSIES Byrd has had 187 snaps this season, 50 more snaps and only 10 total catches. Only 4 more than Ol' Sunshine. Now does this mean Byrd is bad? Not at all but he's been give more "chances" than Bersin has this season and has produced only a little bit better. 

Now if you'd like I can compare his stats to other 4th-5th WRs throughout the leauge. I can't be assed to now but I'm almost certain they're Pretty Comparable except for more extreme cases.

Now back to point #2.

Just like above, I do my best to back up all my facts using numbers, stats and proof to the best of my ability. I'll be the first to admit that sometimes I'm a firm believer in football trends being true and thusly always the case (ex: I was big on the overspending in FA is a bad idea train for a long time, but the recent success of teams like the Jags have proven me wrong.) And obviously, there'll be some late season WR pickup who'll be extremely good for their team and possibly be the difference maker. This year ain't that year unless Kenny Britt magically gets better. 

From what I've seen you just take stats and surface level (if you even bother to look up the stats lol) and think you get the whole story.

Bersin isn't ideal. But recent history shows he can fit into this role for the time being and do a solid job at it.

This was fun we should do this again sometime bby.

 

 

 

Well Said.

I think the major difference between Bersin and any WR we would sign.  Cam trusts him.   He has reliable hands and he is a big target.

Bersin will get first team Reps this week and I hope he takes this opportunity to show he belongs.  

[WOW!!]

1 hour ago, Rags said:

Thanks for replying! Shows that your previous post about being Super Knowledgeable about football is complete BS!

1. Bersin has only been on the roster this season since Nov. 1st, he was signed after the KB trade, before the Falcons game in week 9, so 7 weeks. At this time, he was still behind Funch, Samuel, and Shep. Even after Samuel went down, Byrd trumped him on the depth chart. So for most of the season he was on the team, he's been the #4 WR at best.

The numbers you posted are for a #4 WR only really getting playing time because of injuries. And you were wrong. Nice.

2. I'll get back to this point I wanna keep focusing on how bad at sports you are.

3. I never said Bersin was good.  Really comprehension showing itself again. I said that Bersin is good enough at his job. He's a #4-5 guy who, when given the chance, has helped our team. I've seen the analogy "if he was cut no other team would look at him." No poo. There's not a lot of #4-5 guys who get looked at on any team, we're not the only team with a Brenton Bersin. Remember playoff hero Jeff Janis for the Packers? Perfect example.

And to back this up -- Bersin has been targeted 10 times this season, caught 6 of them and only dropped the obvious one. And that was only Bersin's second carrer drop. Granted he hasn't gotten a lot of targets throughout his carrer, but he's recently he's been what I've said he's been -- a reliable 4th-5th guy when needed.

I'm gonna say it again to make sure you get it: I never said Bersin was good. Hell I never said he should be our WR#2 going into next year, or even be on the final roster. I've even agreed our WR core is not Very Good right now. 

 4. This is my absolute favorite because you sound so goddamn sure of yourself all you would have to do is a Simple Reference Check to see how much you're talking out of your ass. Since being resigned Bersin has had 131 snaps, only 12% of total snaps. 51 of them come from the TB game alone. 38% of his snaps this season, and 77% of the snaps that game. We only passed 25 times against the Bucs, and most of his playing time came after the Byrd injury, but he had the same amount of catches as Funchess. Huh. Seems like in his first time he actually got Real Playing Time in his carrer he actually did okay. Weird.

For comparison, also this season the most snaps he had in any game was 17 twice. Vs Minn and GB. That sure is a lot of chances he was given huh?

And before you go "WHAT ABOUT PREVIOUS YEARS" last year Bersin had 63 offensive snaps for us. Year before that 99, and 2014 the year we completely retooled our WR core, 150.  5%, 9%, and 13% of our total offensive snaps for the respective years. 

AND FOR MORE FUNSIES Byrd has had 187 snaps this season, 50 more snaps and only 10 total catches. Only 4 more than Ol' Sunshine. Now does this mean Byrd is bad? Not at all, I'm honestly trying to temper my expectations for Byrd to be honest. But, by your logic, he's been give more "chances" than Bersin has this season and has produced only a little bit better. 

Now if you'd like I can compare his stats to other 4th-5th WRs throughout the leauge. I can't be assed to now but I'm almost certain they're Pretty Comparable except for more extreme cases.

Now back to point #2.

Just like above, I do my best to back up all my facts using numbers, stats and proof to the best of my ability. I'll be the first to admit that sometimes I'm a firm believer in football trends being true and thusly always the case (ex: I was big on the overspending in FA is a bad idea train for a long time, but the recent success of teams like the Jags have proven me wrong.) And obviously, there'll be some late season WR pickup who'll be extremely good for their team and possibly be the difference maker. This year ain't that year unless Kenny Britt magically gets better. 

From what I've seen you just take stats and surface level (if you even bother to look up the stats lol) and think you get the whole story.

Bersin isn't ideal. But recent history shows he can fit into this role for the time being and do a solid job at it.

This was fun we should do this again sometime bby.

 

 

 

4th WR Just in this division this year..

1. Brandon Coleman 

27rec 287yards 3td

2. Justin Hardy

21rec 207yards 4td

3. Chris Godwin

27rec 404yards 0td..

Bersin in 4 years has never put up any of these numbers in a single season..

Bersin career numbers 

30 rec 387 yards 1td

So you are right Rags Bersin in 4years is putting up what normal 4th WR do in 1..lol

So putting  4years worth of numbers together Bersin is a solid 4th WR..

In 8 years he will have "okay" Wr #3 numbers..

Good job in looking deeper into those stats..

Hahaha 

[WOW!!]

2 hours ago, DaveThePanther2008 said:

Based on this logic than we can sign whoever you want and if they sit on the  pine during the playoffs you are OK with it.  Just as long as we sign someone?

This inept guys on our roster have one thing that ANYONE we sign doesn't.  Chemistry and knows our system.  Do you really think a player coming off the waiver wire is going to make a difference?  They have to learn our plays and know what route they have to run on each of those plays and he has less than a week to do it. 11 days if you are looking at the playoffs only.

If any player that had that skill than they would have already been on a Roster.   

Everyone hates Bersin but minus the ball that was intercepted.  He has been getting open and catching balls.  Cam trusts him.  Clay as well.

We have to hope these players step up.   I know most of  you hate it but unless someone comes out of retirement.  We aren't going to get any better signing a castoff just to sign a cast off.

How about this logic..

1 team with 5 super bowls wins 7 Superbowl trips and makes the playoffs every year ..Does the try anything bring players in and see if they workout method.. To fix issue with the roster going into the playoffs..

Another team with 0 Superbowl wins 1 Superbowl trip and no back to back winning seasons.. Does the stand pat do nothing and pray some trash on this roster steps up when issues happen..

Which one of these methods seem to work out better??