Byrd to IR, and other Tuesday news

[t96]

1 minute ago, Car123 said:

You think Dave would have made that trade?

That's irrelevant to the discussion here but I'll humor you. No probably not but if was going to trade KB he would've gotten more than a mid-late 3rd rounder. What's your point?

[electro's horse]

This might be the worst wr corps in the playoffs in the modern era. 

[shaqattaq]

1 hour ago, OnlyPantherFaninMaine said:

Devin Funchess

Brenton Bersin

Kaelin Clay

Russell Shepard

Woof. Injuries and trades certainly played a part in this unit but that right there is why every playoff game will be an uphill battle. Teams will sell-out to stop the run, put their best corner on Funchess, and one of three WR’s who wouldn’t be on many other rosters in the NFL are going to have to play out their minds and step up. Need to address this position in free agency in a big way this off-season. That is ugly. 

Bersin and Clay stepped up the final drive Sunday, but that was because TB was only covering Funch, CMC, and Olsen...and it was the bucs! Our uphill battle just got steeper. 

Edit: I just realized that even the Panthers cut two of these 4 at the beginning of the season.

[Rags]

8 minutes ago, WOW!! said:

Oh Cam the guy who had no off-season his rookie year and broke every nfl passing record for rookies.. Yeah he would be okay..

You mean the year every player, rookie or not, had the same thing happen? The same year defensive play went down leauge wide due to the lockout?

[TheRed]

5 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

Are you saying Samuel and Byrd getting season-ending injuries leaving us with Clay as our speedy wr threat was Gettleman's fault?

If you think I'm blaming someone for injuries you misread the post entirely.

[WOW!!]

3 minutes ago, Rags said:

And what did any of those big name guys do?

Chad Ochocinco?

Malcom Floyd?

I'm sure your boy Kenny Britt will be tearing it up soon.

Point is trust the coaches. It's not like we haven't made off-season moves before because of injury (ex: Finnegan) if the team thinks we'll be fine at WR, I'm gonna trust them.

Just have Shep do nothing but work on his hands for the next week.

 

 Britt here would be way better comfort than hoping a guy who has never been good, avg, or a below avg Wr.. Gets good all of a sudden..

And I'll trust the coaching staff on defensive moves.. That's what they are good at.. But offensively I would rather trust Bill Walsh dead corpse over these dudes..

[Tarheels23]

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Dear God, please don't let this be a 2005 NFC Championship game vs Seattle type situation. 

[WOW!!]

Just now, Tarheels23 said:

Dear God, please don't let this be a 2005 NFC Championship game vs Seattle type situation. 

Ppl forget about that with the "trust the roster bs" world they live in...

[TheRed]

12 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

Yes, Hurney makes personnel decisions. Rivera decides how he wants to use the players on the roster. Byrd was getting about the same number of snaps as Shepard early in the year before he got hurt against the Pats. Rivera had him involved early. And Byrd did nothing with it. Not one reception. Just one rush. Then after he came off IR what got him more involved was Samuel's injury. KB had absolutely nothing to do with Byrd.

You're criticizing Rivera and DG for not playing Byrd like he's some frigging All-Pro sitting on the bench. Even the past 4 weeks he has done very little as a WR. His catch with YAC and a broken tackle on Sunday was nice to see but aside from that he was nowhere to be seen, just like Funch. He's progressing and takes time and I trust a professional head coach who sees the kid in practice every day to know more than some moron on a message board who rips the professionals for every single move they make like you could do it better. It's stupid. 

As long as you're satisfied with maintaining the status quo, this is what you're going to get.

Good grief some of you guys are shellshocked. You expect to have to make chicken salad out of chicken poo because of front office missteps. Nevermind that we've been doing that just about every year since we drafted Cam. It's okay to want more. Stop groveling and making excuses.

[Icege]

35 minutes ago, TheRed said:

Or maybe you give them too much credit and they actually made a mistake.

For all the poo people give Hurney, and I don't want him as GM, I doubt he let's Ginn walk if it were up to him.

What does it tell you when it takes Marty Hurney of all people to finally give Byrd his chance to shine?

After Ginn walked, Byrd got injured. He hasn't necessarily been buried this season, just hurt.

His rookie season he was on the practice squad and the team went to the Super Bowl with a 15-1 record. Last season he was on the final roster (during Gentleman's time with the team). He started the season on the roster, was released, resigned to practice squad, then promoted to the final roster.

He was on the roster again this season but broke his arm vs New England.

I understand that a lot of people did not like Gettleman. Players are said to typically need 3 years to develop into the kind of pro that they will be (QBs can take up to 5). Gettleman saw the type of player he could be. I believe that Hurney just happened to walk into a good situation created by Byrd and Gettleman.

[kungfoodude]

23 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

They haven’t tried one bit.

Never once do we just sign a legit WR and there’s been so many chances.

Instead we draft guys like Funchess and Samuel and sign people like Shepard and try to turn them into WR’s

The people in charge think they’re outsmarting everyone when in reality they’re morons.

I was fine with letting Ginn walk because I felt we maxed out his potential as a player and it still wasn’t good enough to get us a SB (that’s what this is all about, SB’s). However, instead of signing a real WR we took Ginn’s money and gave it to freaking Russell Shepard... like what?

Gettleman

2017

2nd Round - Curtis Samuel

2015

2nd Round - Devin Funchess

2014 

1st Round - Kelvin Benjamin

Hurney

2012

4th Round - Joe Adams

2011

5th Round - Kealoha Pilares

2010

3rd Round - Brandon LaFell, Armanti Edwards
6th Round - David Gettis

2007

4th Round - Ryne Robinson

2004

2nd Round - Keary Colbert
5th Round - Drew Carter
 

For the top 4 round guys, that is a quite a few swings and misses. Honestly, it isn't a thing that you can necessarily blame on any one GM. Have you seen our top 5 or 10 franchise leaders in reception yards? Only the top 5 have more than 2500 career receiving yards for us, two are TE's. Funchess is actually our #11 all-time guy in receiving yards, so I think that says a lot. Historically, I am not sure there is a weaker position in franchise history than WR for us.

[Growl]

Why has the idea of bringing Charles Johnson back never been entertained

[Rags]

12 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

Any vet WR knows the route tree, that stuff doesn’t change. 

Bersin, Shepard, Frazier and Clay all could have great chemistry with Cam but that doesn’t mean they’re going to catch the ball as we’ve seen them all struggle. 

At this point I’d rather roll the dice with a couch potato than go into NO to find out what I already know about this group of WR’s.

Chemistry is overrated in this scenario.

It's not. Miscues happen with WR who have experience, I'd rather go in with our guys with less of a chance of miscues than someone not looking on a R/PO play and leading to an int.

I get the frustration, I really do. You know I've been beating the "draft actual WRs" drum for a long time.

But for right now, this is what we have. Go into next season with no improvements, I'll be right beside you in confusion and anger.

[AggieLean]

2 minutes ago, Tarheels23 said:

Dear God, please don't let this be a 2005 NFC Championship game vs Seattle type situation. 

Were walking right into that fire, knowingly. If this is who they go into the playoff game against the Saints, you can expect an 18-39 type game from Cam, with 2 or 3 INT’s. We know Cam. He’s going to try and make plays, and unfortunately, this receiving group is limited. 

Were going to have to get a God-like performance from him, where he throws for 250 and rushes for 80/90 yards