Schefter - Giants interviewed Gettleman today

[bLACKpANTHER]

On 12/20/2017 at 4:18 PM, Cracka McNasty said:

Fixed the shitshow that Hurney created

Signed vets/contributors at low prices

Cut said vets when they weren't producing and didn't over pay* (*Matt Kalil excluded. Can't defend that one, hated it from the get go. But still, vast vast majority of his signings didn't hurt us financially)

Put together a super Bowl team while cash strapped

Re-signed Luke and Cam

Drafted in the mid to late 20's as opposed to the 10's so it's kind of expected the best talent wouldn't always be available, but he still got decent guys. Not all first round picks are equal.

4 out of 5 years in which he put a team together they went to the playoffs* (*pending a victory this sunday)

Had the most successful 5 year span this team has ever had. 

Not a cuck like Hurney

brought us the term "Hogmollies"

Gettleman might not have been the best GM ever, but he's certainly the best we've ever had. 

wish I could pie more than once..

[grimesgoat]

Whatever the reason for letting Gettleman go, it was not well thought out.  The team goes 40-23-1 with 3 playoff teams on his watch and you replace him with Hurney?  THE Hurney that had 3 winning seasons out of 11 (80-86) and 3 playoff appearances?  THE Hurney that put together such an historically bad team we got to pick first in 2011?

If Richardson was upset about Norman or 2016, he could have replaced Gettleman after the 2016 season with Hurney.  Instead he kept Gettleman around to sign free agents, make draft picks, and manage the cap.  It appears something happened just before training camp that triggered his firing.

My guess is Richardson decided to get more involved in player personnel decisions in 2017.  Maybe he was losing confidence in Gettleman after 2016.  This would explain some of the bizarre (by Gettleman standards) moves made in the offseason, such as signing Kalil, Munnerlyn, Peppers, and drafting CMC/Samuel back-to-back.  All nice PR moves.  The only off-season moves that really feel like Gettleman were signing Adams and extending Trai and Short.

It seems obvious Richardson was meddling.  My guess is it all came to a head just before training camp.  Richardson wanted Gettleman to extend Davis.  Gettleman said enough is enough and just wouldn't do it.  Richardson had to fire him in order to extend/overpay Davis.  And if there is anyone that knows how to overpay someone, its Marty Hurney.

[Mr. Scot]

The timing of the firing was extremely weird, but at the time the story came out we didn't know anything about the incident with the African-American scout. It's logical to assume that Gettleman knew about it, and he may very well have been pissed off.

While I don't think there is a direct cause and effect relationship between those two events, the more I think about, it the more I wonder if it played a role.

[grimesgoat]

3 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

The timing of the firing was extremely weird, but at the time the story came out we didn't know anything about the incident with the African-American scout. It's logical to assume that Gettleman knew about it, and he may very well have been pissed off.

While I don't think there is a direct cause and effect relationship between those two events, the more I think about, it the more I wonder if it played a role.

Gettleman may have been pissed about it, but I doubt it was the line-in-the-sand moment.  My guess is the TD issue was the last straw.

Its unfair to evaluate someone on team success but not give him full control to make the necessary decisions that impact the results.  I'm convinced Richardson took much of the control away.  They had it out and parted ways.

[Car123]

17 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

Whatever the reason for letting Gettleman go, it was not well thought out.  The team goes 40-23-1 with 3 playoff teams on his watch and you replace him with Hurney?  THE Hurney that had 3 winning seasons out of 11 (80-86) and 3 playoff appearances?  THE Hurney that put together such an historically bad team we got to pick first in 2011?

If Richardson was upset about Norman or 2016, he could have replaced Gettleman after the 2016 season with Hurney.  Instead he kept Gettleman around to sign free agents, make draft picks, and manage the cap.  It appears something happened just before training camp that triggered his firing.

My guess is Richardson decided to get more involved in player personnel decisions in 2017.  Maybe he was losing confidence in Gettleman after 2016.  This would explain some of the bizarre (by Gettleman standards) moves made in the offseason, such as signing Kalil, Munnerlyn, Peppers, and drafting CMC/Samuel back-to-back.  All nice PR moves.  The only off-season moves that really feel like Gettleman were signing Adams and extending Trai and Short.

It seems obvious Richardson was meddling.  My guess is it all came to a head just before training camp.  Richardson wanted Gettleman to extend Davis.  Gettleman said enough is enough and just wouldn't do it.  Richardson had to fire him in order to extend/overpay Davis.  And if there is anyone that knows how to overpay someone, its Marty Hurney.

Difference: Dave was gifted a franchise qb.

[carpanfan96]

The plan was always for Gettleman to step down and let Beane take over, everyone keeps forgetting just how much power Beane had here the last two seasons. Draft trades, free agency, big board, scouting..ext.ext. 

 

They let Gettleman go earlier in the off-season and Beane is the GM right now. I imagine it's a combination of factors, the Norman situation, 2016 season, the scout, Olsen and TD situation that led to him being fired. 

[grimesgoat]

11 minutes ago, Car123 said:

Difference: Dave was gifted a franchise qb.

I think Cam is a great QB. 

But your implication is that Dave owes his success to our franchise QB, which I do not agree with. 

Cam's QBR rating by year is shown below.  QBR is not the perfect measure, especially for someone like Cam, but it suggests Cam may not be perfect and has had some help from his teammates, many of whom were added or extended by Gettleman.

And before we re-start the Gettleman vs. Hurney debate, the point I'm making has nothing to do with who is better.  The issue is why did a guy seemingly doing a good job by all accounts (cap management, success on the field, etc.) suddenly find himself without a job?

Year	QBR Rank
2011	15
2012	15
2013	15
2014	26
2015	7
2016	28
2017	22

[tiger7_88]

13 hours ago, carpanfan96 said:

That almost got him fired then, but JR decided to go with it and the season bombed then the mess with Olsen and TD that did or didn't happen. Mainly though from what I've heard the Norman decision and the 2016 season got him fired. 

Also Beane ran more and more of the team each year, hence why he was at the podium for presses during the draft this off-season. This past off-season was more Beane then Gettleman especially the draft. Beane scouted, did the big board and majority of the say in making it plus handled trades during the draft the last few seasons. Also handled a ton of the FA work and talking to players to join. 

 

[tiger7_88]

18 minutes ago, carpanfan96 said:

They let Gettleman go earlier in the off-season and Beane is the GM right now.

Not so sure about that.  Lots of GMs would rather work for an ownership that doesn't meddle with their day to day responsibilities.  Beane would not have had that here.

[carpanfan96]

5 minutes ago, tiger7_88 said:

Not so sure about that.  Lots of GMs would rather work for an ownership that doesn't meddle with their day to day responsibilities.  Beane would not have had that here.

I'm quoting this one because of the stupid gifs, 

 

Kelvin Benjamin, Daryl Williams, Bene, Devin Funchess all mainly scouted by Beane and the draft trades to get Funch, Williams and Bene was done by Beane himself. Just to provide an example, Panthers website and interviews done mentioned Beane having a large say in the big board and how it was put together. 

 

Guy had his hand in everything and ran large portions of the draft himself. Considering he had a large part of scouting players, the big board and handled trades... I'd say his handprint is on those drafts more then Gettleman. 

[Thanatos]

The one major good thing out of this JR poo is I doubt Marty Hurney sticks around, unless JR signs him long term prior to selling the team which would be an underhanded move.

[Saca312]

21 hours ago, grimesgoat said:

Cam's QBR rating by year is shown below.  QBR is not the perfect measure, especially for someone like Cam, but it suggests Cam may not be perfect and has had some help from his teammates, many of whom were added or extended by Gettleman.

While I’m a Gettleman defender, if you really think the weapons they surrounded Cam were helping him, you’re in la la land.

However, arguing about the o-line is valid bc Gettleman did a pretty decent job at that. Found two franchise interior tackles and may have just found our right tackle and a left tackle slowly improving and being more confident as of now.

Gettleman finally got the weapons for Cam this past draft and we could have a decent unit going into next year with everyone healthy.

What Gettleman did was clearly the obvious: he was gifted franchise changing players, and he worked to surround them with talent (our DTs for Luke, the interior o-line for Cam)

[CPF4LIFE]

The problem with the o line is it took like 5 years to fix it, so it wasnt like he made it a priority as much as Cam was getting beat up. Even with that said its still a work in progress at this point.

[tiger7_88]

34 minutes ago, CPF4LIFE said:

The problem with the o line is it took like 5 years to fix it, so it wasnt like he made it a priority as much as Cam was getting beat up. Even with that said its still a work in progress at this point.

Salary caps, dude.

Excepting Kalil and with the retirement of Gross, four positions on the OL had to be filled.  And he had to do that under Hurney Salary Cap Hell. And he had to do that drafting in the bottom half of every round.