More and more athletes are going the big V

[LinvilleGorge]

4 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

that's fair. i rarely tell people about my dietary choices irl unless they ask. i remember the instinctive response i had to the idea of vegetarianism for my entire adult life and i'm under no illusion i'm going to change that.

i do wish people would look at the science. it's really not hard. you being in great physical shape on keto diets doesn't mean your arteries aren't in awful shape. the science on what animal products do to your body is conclusive, as is the demonstrable effect industrial level meat production has on society and the environment.

i judge no one for their dietary choices. i attempt to convert no one. i do wish people would think more broadly about their health.

The people on hardcore keto diets long term is concerning. I'm not saying a keto diet can't have a time and place, but as a long term maintenance diet? Whew... I think it's trouble.

[TN05]

3 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

if having only moderately clogged arteries is an acceptable middle ground for you than yes this is great folk wisdom 

Counting calories, exercising, and eating in moderation isn't folk wisdom, it's science. 

[Cat]

13 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

I look at it as such. 

I don’t want religions pushing themselves on me. 

I don’t want vegetarians telling me why they are so much better just for the sake of saying why they are better. 

Im completely open socially to almost any ideal. And love having a rational discussions about food, but both sides have to be objective. 

I'd love for you to tell me all the benefits of your diet. 

[Jeremy Igo]

Just now, TN05 said:

Counting calories, exercising, and eating in moderation isn't folk wisdom, it's science. 

Science says it is better than what most Americans do.

 

But that is a very low bar.

[TN05]

3 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

marine sources are notoriously more healthy than cattle or poultry. people go pescatarian for a reason

Except for all that mercury. The FDA recommends pregnant women and kids only have one meal of fish a week. 

[Harbingers]

9 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

that's fair. i rarely tell people about my dietary choices irl unless they ask. i remember the instinctive response i had to the idea of vegetarianism for my entire adult life and i'm under no illusion i'm going to change that.

i do wish people would look at the science. it's really not hard. you being in great physical shape on keto diets doesn't mean your arteries aren't in awful shape. the science on what animal products do to your body is conclusive, as is the demonstrable effect industrial level meat production has on society and the environment.

i judge no one for their dietary choices. i attempt to convert no one. i do wish people would think more broadly about their health.

Absolutely. To many people forget their health. 

Like I said I stick to a mostly Japanese diet when I have a choice. But I do love meat and raw meat(which many studies have said humans should eat at least 4 oz of raw red meat a week). However I kind of just follows what my body wants. If I’m craving mass amounts of meat I eat it, if I’m craving mass amounts of fermented foods I eat it. If I’m craving fruit I eat it. I will say I eat more vegetables than most vegetarians. But I understand each food plays a roll. 

[Harbingers]

4 minutes ago, Cat said:

I'd love for you to tell me all the benefits of your diet. 

It tastes good in your mouth hole.

[LinvilleGorge]

9 minutes ago, Jeremy Igo said:

I have.

You are aware that fish provide no nutrition you cannot get from plants right? All without the Mercury.

 

Surely you knew this. You read a lot.

No, they don't. EPA and DHA for one. All Omega 3s aren't created equal. Plant based ALA Omega 3s are far inferior to marine based EPA and DHA Omega 3s. People can convert ALA to EPA and DHA, but at levels that are so inefficient that it's insignificant. The best EPA and DHA sources are low on the food chain where mercury is of little to no concern. This is because the source of the EPA and DHA is the phytoplankton that makes up the base of the marine food chain.

You're trying to mock and condescend because someone is challenging your thoughts but I'm just sitting here chuckling. It's my job to know this stuff and be able to explain it to laymen. If you really want to have this discussion we can, but I'm not interested in wasting my time continuing if you're already convinced that your approach is the only correct one and no amount of evidence can convince you to broaden your thought process.

[therealmjl]

4 minutes ago, Harbingers said:

Absolutely. To many people forget their health. 

Like I said I stick to a mostly Japanese diet when I have a choice. But I do love meat and raw meat(which many studies have said humans should eat at least 4 oz of raw red meat a week). However I kind of just follows what my body wants. If I’m craving mass amounts of meat I eat it, if I’m craving mass amounts of fermented foods I eat it. If I’m craving fruit I eat it. I will say I eat more vegetables than most vegetarians. But I understand each food plays a roll. 

Raw red meat? I’m intrigued. Like what?

[Jeremy Igo]

2 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

No, they don't. EPA and DHA for one. All Omega 3s aren't created equal. Plant based ALA Omega 3s are far inferior to marine based EPA and DHA Omega 3s. People can convert ALA to EPA and DHA, but at levels that are so inefficient that it's insignificant. The best EPA and DHA sources are low on the food chain where mercury is of little to no concern. This is because the source of the EPA and DHA is the phytoplankton that makes up the base of the marine food chain.

Youre trying to mock and condescend because someone is challenging your thoughts but I'm just sitting here chuckling. If you really want to have this discussion we can, but I'm not interested in wasting my time continuing if you're already convinced that your approach is the only correct one and no amount of evidence can convince you to broaden your thought process.

 

I'm the one chuckling.

Here you say fish are needed for EPA and DHA and then concede they get those elements from plants themselves.

 

It's pretty funny, you must admit.

[LinvilleGorge]

Just now, Jeremy Igo said:

 

I'm the one chuckling.

Here you say fish are needed for EPA and DHA and then concede they get those elements from plants themselves.

 

It's pretty funny, you must admit.

We're talking about just diet though. Sure, you can supplement with algal oil but no one is eating marine algae in their normal diet.

Best of luck to you and your dietary pursuits.

[Jeremy Igo]

Just now, LinvilleGorge said:

We're talking about just diet though. Sure, you can supplement with algal oil but no one is eating marine algae in their normal diet.

Best of luck to you and your dietary pursuits.

Good decision.

[Paa Langfart]

1 hour ago, Rags said:

I'm very lower-middle class and basically eat what I can

I'd love to eat healthier/vegan but lol I cannot afford it.

As is a big box of oatmeal for breakfast

[LinvilleGorge]

1 minute ago, Jeremy Igo said:

Good decision.

Yep, try not to waste time with people who's minds are already made up.