PFF: Daryl Williams second-best tackle in the league

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39 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

Actually we have no idea exactly why he was let go - just speculation.

As for Gettleman's "mistakes"

'Smith situation' - getting rid of an aging and overpaid prima donna that was stunting the growth of your franchise quarterback does not sound like a bad idea.  I do feel bad he got his feelings hurt though.

'Starting Bell and Chandler at Tackle' - Bell and Chandler both started on the line in 2013, the year we went 12-4.  Gross and Wharton were Tackle options in 2014 but both retired.  We snagged Remmers who replaced Chandler toward the end of the season, which turned out to be a solid move.  We simply did not have the money for a big name, so we had to roll with guys that had starting experience with us.  Hardly G's fault we had no money to spend.  We could have drafted a Tackle in the 2nd.  The first 3 off the board after we selected Ealy were Britt (now a center), Turner (played in 2 games in 2014) and Moses, who was beyond terrible his rookie year when he actually got to play.  None of those would have made a difference.

'Neglected Secondary' - He hardly neglected the secondary.  He inherited Godfrey and Nakamura at safety.  He switched these out for Mitchell and Mikell.  Improvement.

'Norman' - He rescinded the Tag offer to Norman because Norman would not sign the Tag.  Gettleman don't play games.

'Olsen/Davis' - The Olsen and Davis contract extensions resulted from whining to the media.  If you are smart, you wait to see how Davis looks during the season, then work on a 1-2 year extension.  But this does not take into account people's feelings.  It will be interesting to see if Olsen, who wanted more money because of his past production, will volunteer for a reduction since he missed so much time this year.  My guess is no.

'Drafting 3 corners in a row' - I'm not sure that is against the GM rules, but we managed to get two starters out of the three.  Not a bad result.

Over-paying Matt Kalil - This assumes Richardson had a crystal ball and somehow knew Kalil would not be good enough for his contract prior to the signing.  I suggest this is not a reason to let a guy go before he had even played a down. 

You may have issues with G-man, and maybe some are legit, but the ones you listed made sense to me.  The decisions he made were always designed to help the team - even the Norman issue.  He didn't want to pay Norman 15 mil per for 4 years and based on what I've seen of Norman over the past 2 years, Gman made the right call.

 

A lot could be said here but ref. Kalil-I did NOT love the signing but pull back the curtain on the splash contract headline terms and there’s an easy out if necessary.

[TheSpecialJuan]

excellent 

[gorillamilitia13]

Well it helps when the qb that you are blocking for is the best damn qb in the league.

[Lumps]

3 hours ago, CPF4LIFE said:

Umm....he hasnt done anything yet so we are still waiting i guess. 

In that case DG hasn’t done anything either because he isn’t our GM.

[Cpt slay a ho]

3 hours ago, grimesgoat said:

Actually we have no idea exactly why he was let go - just speculation.

As for Gettleman's "mistakes"

'Smith situation' - getting rid of an aging and overpaid prima donna that was stunting the growth of your franchise quarterback does not sound like a bad idea.  I do feel bad he got his feelings hurt though.

'Starting Bell and Chandler at Tackle' - Bell and Chandler both started on the line in 2013, the year we went 12-4.  Gross and Wharton were Tackle options in 2014 but both retired.  We snagged Remmers who replaced Chandler toward the end of the season, which turned out to be a solid move.  We simply did not have the money for a big name, so we had to roll with guys that had starting experience with us.  Hardly G's fault we had no money to spend.  We could have drafted a Tackle in the 2nd.  The first 3 off the board after we selected Ealy were Britt (now a center), Turner (played in 2 games in 2014) and Moses, who was beyond terrible his rookie year when he actually got to play.  None of those would have made a difference.

'Neglected Secondary' - He hardly neglected the secondary.  He inherited Godfrey and Nakamura at safety.  He switched these out for Mitchell and Mikell.  Improvement.

'Norman' - He rescinded the Tag offer to Norman because Norman would not sign the Tag.  Gettleman don't play games.

'Olsen/Davis' - The Olsen and Davis contract extensions resulted from whining to the media.  If you are smart, you wait to see how Davis looks during the season, then work on a 1-2 year extension.  But this does not take into account people's feelings.  It will be interesting to see if Olsen, who wanted more money because of his past production, will volunteer for a reduction since he missed so much time this year.  My guess is no.

'Drafting 3 corners in a row' - I'm not sure that is against the GM rules, but we managed to get two starters out of the three.  Not a bad result.

Over-paying Matt Kalil - This assumes Richardson had a crystal ball and somehow knew Kalil would not be good enough for his contract prior to the signing.  I suggest this is not a reason to let a guy go before he had even played a down. 

You may have issues with G-man, and maybe some are legit, but the ones you listed made sense to me.  The decisions he made were always designed to help the team - even the Norman issue.  He didn't want to pay Norman 15 mil per for 4 years and based on what I've seen of Norman over the past 2 years, Gman made the right call.

 

These are about the worst excuses I could imagine, mixed with some strong opinions. Smith stunting the growth of cam is absurd and can’t statistically be proven.

it was evident bell was trash 2013 and our o line played a big part in us getting beat by the 49ers, you don’t have to spend big money or over spend, attaining a tackle can be done through other methods. Funny that’s an argument given we did the exact thing you’ve stated couldn’t be done at the time this off season by over paying kalil, and he was trash with the vikes, his tape shows he’s a below average starter prior to being signed.

you named mitchell but forget the casons, decouds, etc. norman situation was as poorly handled no way around it, those games he don’t play are commom negotiating tatics in the nfl. Which leads to drafting 3 corners in a row, horrible decision and worley although playing well lately is only a starter by name and had been on the brink of being bench the entire season. The 2015 team was a great team but not good enough for us to triple dip at one position. It’s been discussed multiple times but we had all the leverage in the norman negotiations. Play under the tag while our rook cbs are ease in the lineup instead of thrown into the fire

 

like I said he had a nac of betting on himself tooo much and high risk gambles that ultimately didnt pay off, while handling some of the tough decisions without professionalism 

[Cpt slay a ho]

3 hours ago, thomas96 said:

1. It was a bad look but had no impact on the performance of the team which is all that matters for a GM. Cutting Smitty was necessary.

2 & 3. We were in cap hell in 2013 and DG had to correct that and unfortunately that meant being weak at some positions in a rebuilding year. This was just the reality after Gross' retirement. Overdrafting a bad OT or overpaying a bad OT would have been way worse. Taylor Lewan was the only good OT that entire draft and we were picking too late to ever have a shot at him. Free agent class was terrible too. DG's in charge of building a complete team and picking out a weakness not being upgraded as if it's a bad move is ridiculous.

4. Too broad to be considered a legitimate complaint, and see #8.

5. This one was a bad move but not terrible. The cap space freed up helped sign Mario and KK, but we could've been a playoff team in '16 with Josh and once you're there anything can happen.

6. Come on... He handled those completely fine.

7. Terrible move though I still question whether it was really DG or if JR forced his hand with this one. This was not consistent with any other move DG made in his entire career here.

8. Two of them are extremely promising and solid young corners. Sanchez was bad but whatever he was a 5th round pick. 

See 2014, releasing smith and the way it was handled did have a impact. You can’t say dg is responsible for buliding a compete team and watch him draft 3 cbs in a row, contradict itself, ot situation hasn’t been address since gross retired til this offseason, that’s plenty of time. Trade up, trade for, do something but watching our qb get murder is unacceptable, he goes down so does the season. His over focus on d line and lb’s cost us a chance at some quality players.again worley playing great as of recent but was benched nearly half the season.

[SOJA]

7 hours ago, thomas96 said:

Exactly. Last year the 2015 draft looked bad but now it's pretty damn clear that Funch, Williams and Mayo were all definite great picks. Shaq is still up in the air. He's solid, not looking like worthy of a 1st rounder, but there's still time if he can have a more clearly defined role in the D. And CAP ain't no slouch either, for where he was picked. I don't understand why people can't be more patient with young players.

Shaq is going to be great, he's playing the SLB instead of the WLB because TD is still anchoring it. WLB generally gets to make more plays. Also Shaq is asked a TON by our defensive coordinators. 

I'm not arguing whether or not shaq was "worth" a first rounder, but Shaq has been a stud for us

[SOJA]

4 hours ago, grimesgoat said:

Actually we have no idea exactly why he was let go - just speculation.

As for Gettleman's "mistakes"

'Smith situation' - getting rid of an aging and overpaid prima donna that was stunting the growth of your franchise quarterback does not sound like a bad idea.  I do feel bad he got his feelings hurt though.

'Starting Bell and Chandler at Tackle' - Bell and Chandler both started on the line in 2013, the year we went 12-4.  Gross and Wharton were Tackle options in 2014 but both retired.  We snagged Remmers who replaced Chandler toward the end of the season, which turned out to be a solid move.  We simply did not have the money for a big name, so we had to roll with guys that had starting experience with us.  Hardly G's fault we had no money to spend.  We could have drafted a Tackle in the 2nd.  The first 3 off the board after we selected Ealy were Britt (now a center), Turner (played in 2 games in 2014) and Moses, who was beyond terrible his rookie year when he actually got to play.  None of those would have made a difference.

'Neglected Secondary' - He hardly neglected the secondary.  He inherited Godfrey and Nakamura at safety.  He switched these out for Mitchell and Mikell.  Improvement.

'Norman' - He rescinded the Tag offer to Norman because Norman would not sign the Tag.  Gettleman don't play games.

'Olsen/Davis' - The Olsen and Davis contract extensions resulted from whining to the media.  If you are smart, you wait to see how Davis looks during the season, then work on a 1-2 year extension.  But this does not take into account people's feelings.  It will be interesting to see if Olsen, who wanted more money because of his past production, will volunteer for a reduction since he missed so much time this year.  My guess is no.

'Drafting 3 corners in a row' - I'm not sure that is against the GM rules, but we managed to get two starters out of the three.  Not a bad result.

Over-paying Matt Kalil - This assumes Richardson had a crystal ball and somehow knew Kalil would not be good enough for his contract prior to the signing.  I suggest this is not a reason to let a guy go before he had even played a down. 

You may have issues with G-man, and maybe some are legit, but the ones you listed made sense to me.  The decisions he made were always designed to help the team - even the Norman issue.  He didn't want to pay Norman 15 mil per for 4 years and based on what I've seen of Norman over the past 2 years, Gman made the right call.

 

i wish I could give this 10,000 pie

[t96]

39 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

1. See 2014, releasing smith and the way it was handled did have a impact.

2. You can’t say dg is responsible for buliding a compete team and watch him draft 3 cbs in a row, contradict itself,

3. ot situation hasn’t been address since gross retired til this offseason, that’s plenty of time. Trade up, trade for, do something but watching our qb get murder is unacceptable, he goes down so does the season.

4. His over focus on d line and lb’s cost us a chance at some quality players

5. again worley playing great as of recent but was benched nearly half the season.

1. Not really at all. If we didn't release Smitty we wouldn't have been any better in 2014 and would've tied up a ton of guaranteed money that was going to kick in for 2015 and 2016 and maybe wouldn't have even made a SB.

2. I don't know what you're saying here, it's borderline incoherent. Make a clearer argument

3. Well actually it has been addressed. We signed Oher who was well above average in 2015 and extended him after that great year. He was a huge reason we even made the playoffs that year and that Cam was MVP. Can't blame DG for Oher getting an insane concussion out of nowhere that ended his career. Also found a diamond in the rough in Remmers who was solid all of 2015 aside from one game which was more due to poor coaching and gameplanning than because of Remmers (everybody knew his weakness is speed rushers like Von Miller, and Shula didn't do anything to gameplan for that or give him help. Remmers shut down the best pass rusher in the league earlier that year, JJ Watt, and was rock solid every game but one). And drafted Williams who is now a top 5 RT.

4. Or maybe his focus on those positions are why we have the best front 7 in the league right now and just beat the best team in the NFC largely due to the play of our front 7... Hindsight in drafting is 20/20 and you can fault every single GM in the league for not taking x, y and z players who were on the board. It's a crapshoot and DG had a better track record overall in the draft than 20+ other GMs since he was here. 

5. Bradberry has been an above average starter since he was drafted and while Worley has been up and down he's finally coming around (only his 2nd year still) and he's just 22 years old with a long career ahead of him. Can't call a 3rd round pick a bad pick not even 2 years into his career. That is stupid.

 

DG's built a team that is likely going to the playoffs 4 years out of 5, making it to the divisional round or further every year with this year pending. You can't argue with results and that is right up there with the Patriots and Seahawks in terms of recent success. And he had an owner holding him back the entire time he was here.

[Jay Roosevelt]

He's definitely stepped up since earlier in the season. Long-term we really need to do our best to keep this OL together.

[Cpt slay a ho]

26 minutes ago, thomas96 said:

1. Not really at all. If we didn't release Smitty we wouldn't have been any better in 2014 and would've tied up a ton of guaranteed money that was going to kick in for 2015 and 2016 and maybe wouldn't have even made a SB.

2. I don't know what you're saying here, it's borderline incoherent. Make a clearer argument

3. Well actually it has been addressed. We signed Oher who was well above average in 2015 and extended him after that great year. He was a huge reason we even made the playoffs that year and that Cam was MVP. Can't blame DG for Oher getting an insane concussion out of nowhere that ended his career. Also found a diamond in the rough in Remmers who was solid all of 2015 aside from one game which was more due to poor coaching and gameplanning than because of Remmers (everybody knew his weakness is speed rushers like Von Miller, and Shula didn't do anything to gameplan for that or give him help. Remmers shut down the best pass rusher in the league earlier that year, JJ Watt, and was rock solid every game but one). And drafted Williams who is now a top 5 RT.

4. Or maybe his focus on those positions are why we have the best front 7 in the league right now and just beat the best team in the NFC largely due to the play of our front 7... Hindsight in drafting is 20/20 and you can fault every single GM in the league for not taking x, y and z players who were on the board. It's a crapshoot and DG had a better track record overall in the draft than 20+ other GMs since he was here. 

5. Bradberry has been an above average starter since he was drafted and while Worley has been up and down he's finally coming around (only his 2nd year still) and he's just 22 years old with a long career ahead of him. Can't call a 3rd round pick a bad pick not even 2 years into his career. That is stupid.

 

DG's built a team that is likely going to the playoffs 4 years out of 5, making it to the divisional round or further every year with this year pending. You can't argue with results and that is right up there with the Patriots and Seahawks in terms of recent success. And he had an owner holding him back the entire time he was here.

1.yeah i'm 100% positive the team is better in 2014 with smith on the team instead of cotchery and jason avant or philly brown

2. You cannot say he's in charge of building a complete team and watch as he dumps countless resources into two positions while other positions can't filed adequate starters. Then spend a entire draft drafting defense. That's not building a compete team. 

3.you're listing the season after the nate chandler and bell disaster, after 2015 we saw remmers get abused each game and become a automatic drive killer with holding or false start penalties, and watch him overpay a subpar tackle in kalil after many for years stated we didn't have the spending money to make a move at OT, so when we do this is the guy you sign to a big contract??? i've given credit for the Williams pick

4. right best front 7, i don't need the best backups for the front 7 as well, and how about that bottom ranked pass defense from last year? matter of fact the pass defense has consistently been a problem.

5. if he's getting benched in his second season it's not looking good period, but i'm not even addressing the pick as bad because of the player, it's the fact we drafted 3 cb's in a row....you're throwing rookies in the flame agaisnt guys like brees, ryan, juio, and evans, without any vet to mentor them, the whole situation was a mess.

 

ultimately the man couldn't get out of his own way, he made life harder for himself as a gm instead of learning from his mistakes. In reality if we win the superbowl in 2015 i doubt anyone is putting a magnifying glass to his decisions for quite some time, but we didn't and the response made with the moves that off-season were terrible  

[Montsta]

9 hours ago, Dex said:

Might be the most well timed and appropriate gif ever used on this board. Very well played sir. Would pie you twice if I could. 

[csx]

Now just keep selecting  lineman in the top half of the draft and developing them.

[AceBoogie]

20 hours ago, Jmac said:

He was a good GM and didn't deserve to be thrown under the bus. Don't care what some say on here. The guy new his sh%t about player evaluation and cap management. His next team will be lucky to get him.

 

Except he won’t have a next team