CMC Production The Last 2 Games

[GoobyPls]

3 hours ago, Hoenheim said:

In general  , theres alot of 1st rounders this year that havent done much in their first NFL season. The only serious standouts I see were

Fournette, McCaffrey, Lattimore, Desean Watson , Tredavious White, TJ Watt, and Ryan Ramcyck. 

With hindsight being 20/20, we shouldve drafted Lattimore with 8 , Dalvin Cook with 40, and Kamara with our last pick in the 2nd. That wouldve been pretty dope. 

Is it really hindsight 20/20 when many of us didn’t want Mccaffrey? I campaigned on here telling everyone Cook and Kamara are both better than him, we worked out Kamara as much as any player in the draft, I think it was 3 private workouts or something like like that. That’s not hindsight, hindsight would be someone like Kareem Hunt who wasn’t even on our radar

[TheCasillas]

10 hours ago, Toomers said:

How in the hell is saying one player is very good but not top ten pick caliber, an condemnation of the entire organization? You picked the wrong guy to pull that cop-out on. I have never once called for Rivera or Shula to be fired. How many on this board can say that. Not that it would make me unhappy if they were fired either. I’ve defended many moves and picks that people hated. Until this year. And it’s not like a bust scenario. Keep your drama to yourself. Or at least stick to the point of the conversation.

And the FS is Malik Hooker. He would be our FS for the next decade. 

And snaps counts also involve being able to handle them. 

Wow dude, don’t take it personal. 

 

Also, are you talking about the Malik hooker who got his knee tore up? ACL AND MCL?

 

[d-dave]

I think some of y'all are looking at CMC the wrong way.  As a pure RB, he's lacking compared to other players.  But he's not just a running back.  He does a lot for the offense, like Kamara.  Kamara also gets to play in New Orleans with a first ballot HOF QB and a head coach and offensive system tailor made for a guy like his (and CMC's) abilities.

If we're talking hindsight, then everyone would have drafted the best players anyway, and hindsight arguments are pointless.  Will the right people learn the correct lessons?  Or is it much more a matter of luck?

Also, going against CMC is that teams have been game planning him since day 1.  He's a rookie treated like one of the best in the league.  As a team, we are failing to put him in the best position to succeed.  Same would be for Cook or Kamara or Hunt.  

When you look at his total stats compared to Kamara, Hunt, and Fournette, he's doing well.  Not as well as we hoped, but he's playing well.  Kamara is the run-away Offensive Rookie of the Year, that goes without saying.

[Khyber53]

Rookie players often wear out late in their first season, particularly if they are starters or heavy rotation guys. 

They've been giving him a lighter load for a couple of weeks to keep him going through the home stretch and into the playoffs, where we will need him to shine.

It's going to be okay and we still haven't seen anywhere near CMC's ceiling.

[over the legal limit]

12 hours ago, AU-panther said:

I'm not a huge fan of RBs or situational players in the first.  Also I'm not convinced that he will ever be the type of RB that some people expect but I do think he can help a team a win.

For the sake of discussion what other 1st round offensive player would have had a greater impact?  Like I said in another thread I think we chased need and probably could have approached the draft a little differently.

 

Ryan Ramczyk, OJ, Engram are all better and we couldve used them greater

[AU-panther]

 

1 hour ago, over the legal limit said:

Ryan Ramczyk, OJ, Engram are all better and we couldve used them greater

Better and who projected to have a bigger impact this year are two different things.  With a healthy Olsen the first round TEs would have had limited roles, even in their current systems their production isn't really any greater the CMC.  With us signing Kalil to the contract we did it almost forces you to use him.  This place would have had a meltdown if we used a first round pick on a tackle then sat him on the bench.

I'm not saying that CMC was the best pick but it I understand why they did.  They viewed him as someone who could add a dimension to the team.  That doesn't necessarily mean he is the better player.

Honestly our offense has changed some.  Part of me was nervous that Fournette would fall to us and we would become even more conservative.

7 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

Is it really hindsight 20/20 when many of us didn’t want Mccaffrey? I campaigned on here telling everyone Cook and Kamara are both better than him, we worked out Kamara as much as any player in the draft, I think it was 3 private workouts or something like like that. That’s not hindsight, hindsight would be someone like Kareem Hunt who wasn’t even on our radar

Cook should have been a top-15 draft pick but I'm guessing he wasn't even on our board.  I also doubt anybody on this board would have took Kamara in the first.  You also campaigned for Ross, which I did some also.  He might still turn out to be better but for this year CMC has been more productive.  I can't blame the FO for taking CMC instead of Kamara in the first when in fact nobody on this board would have took Kamara at 8.

With that being said though both players though are perfect examples of looking at the draft in its totality and seeing how your needs line up with what the draft has to offer.

Probably my biggest complaint with our FO was that we seemed to "fall in love" with certain players, hence all of the trading up.  Going into the draft I thought we would take a PR/KR/slot type and/or a 3rd down back.

I think you could have had CMC in the 15-20 range.  Samuel was a similar type player that would be available at the beginning of the second, I was shocked when we drafted both.  With the off the field issues Cook was a possibility at beginning of second.  A lot of people thought Kamara would go in the 2-3.   Cohen and Logan were 2 mid round players who fit the profile that we were looking for.

Speaking of Samuel I think at some point we are going to have some redundancy with him and CMC which doesn't seem wise with a 1st and 2nd rounder considering their pay scale.  I've never really had the feeling though that our front office looked at player acquisition though the draft on an asset allocation basis like some teams.

For a team that likes to preach BPA we sure seem to reach at times and not take what the draft gives us.  The 2015 draft felt the same way when we drafted Shaq then traded up a lot later in the draft to fill needs and last years draft when we backed ourselves into a corner with all of the CB picks.

[Snake]

CMC effects the game like Cam Newton does. He doesn't need to rush for 100 for us to win. I think its smart to limit his rushing carries his rookie year because of the long season. His biggest problem is lower body strength and that will improve with a year of strength and conditioning. 

[GoobyPls]

56 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

 

Better and who projected to have a bigger impact this year are two different things.  With a healthy Olsen the first round TEs would have had limited roles, even in their current systems their production isn't really any greater the CMC.  With us signing Kalil to the contract we did it almost forces you to use him.  This place would have had a meltdown if we used a first round pick on a tackle then sat him on the bench.

I'm not saying that CMC was the best pick but it I understand why they did.  They viewed him as someone who could add a dimension to the team.  That doesn't necessarily mean he is the better player.

Honestly our offense has changed some.  Part of me was nervous that Fournette would fall to us and we would become even more conservative.

Cook should have been a top-15 draft pick but I'm guessing he wasn't even on our board.  I also doubt anybody on this board would have took Kamara in the first.  You also campaigned for Ross, which I did some also.  He might still turn out to be better but for this year CMC has been more productive.  I can't blame the FO for taking CMC instead of Kamara in the first when in fact nobody on this board would have took Kamara at 8.

With that being said though both players though are perfect examples of looking at the draft in its totality and seeing how your needs line up with what the draft has to offer.

Probably my biggest complaint with our FO was that we seemed to "fall in love" with certain players, hence all of the trading up.  Going into the draft I thought we would take a PR/KR/slot type and/or a 3rd down back.

I think you could have had CMC in the 15-20 range.  Samuel was a similar type player that would be available at the beginning of the second, I was shocked when we drafted both.  With the off the field issues Cook was a possibility at beginning of second.  A lot of people thought Kamara would go in the 2-3.   Cohen and Logan were 2 mid round players who fit the profile that we were looking for.

Speaking of Samuel I think at some point we are going to have some redundancy with him and CMC which doesn't seem wise with a 1st and 2nd rounder considering their pay scale.  I've never really had the feeling though that our front office looked at player acquisition though the draft on an asset allocation basis like some teams.

For a team that likes to preach BPA we sure seem to reach at times and not take what the draft gives us.  The 2015 draft felt the same way when we drafted Shaq then traded up a lot later in the draft to fill needs and last years draft when we backed ourselves into a corner with all of the CB picks.

I’ll admit I didn’t want Kamara in the first, but I sure as hell didn’t want Mccaffrey in the first. Kamara was better prospect but people brought into the combine hype.

[TheCasillas]

Man, we write these posts like we have drafted busts. You'd think we were a 2 win team with the way we knock our players.

[Mikey815]

2 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Man, we write these posts like we have drafted busts. You'd think we were a 2 win team with the way we knock our players.

Haha the Huddlers are a negative group. If we go on to win the super bowl someone will say that McCaffrey was a bust without 1000 yards rushing 

[electro's horse]

35 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

I’ll admit I didn’t want Kamara in the first, but I sure as hell didn’t want Mccaffrey in the first. Kamara was better prospect but people brought into the combine hype.

What combine hype?

he almost got stuck under the bar

[TheRed]

People talk all the time here about expecting more from Cam Newton. Well, he's within the top 30 rushers in the entire NFL. He's holding up his end of the bargain.

Saying we need to find better ways to get CMC involved in the run game shouldn't elicit such rage. It's common sense. He's an 8th overall pick. If we're relegated to squabbling about his yards from scrimmage or trying to pad his numbers by adding punt and kick return yards, that's an issue. Even he knows what's expected, he's talked about it himself. I'm hoping he really starts to turn it on heading into the postseason. He's got the talent.