Everyone who didn't believe and were "realistic" about the Panthers come get your crow here. Snake? Fox?

[teeray]

3 minutes ago, Snake said:

The Panthers don't need to lose to show how bad this staff is. You do realize we almost lost right? After Min had one of there worst games of the season right? I'm happy with the win and we knocked off probably the most deadly team left on our schedule but we still are not even a lock for a wildcard. 

Did you say almost lost?

And this is the NFL there's no such thing as locks you want locks go pull for Alabama in football.

We are 9 and 4.  We will probably get at least 10 or 11 wins.  Almost only counts in horseshoes hand grenades and slow dancing enjoy the good season quit worrying about Ron Rivera and Mike Shula and start pulling for your team and actually having some confidence in them for once

[teeray]

1 minute ago, Snake said:

It's the same reason we lost to the eagles. We let off the gas and they won. 

We had the ball the chance to win against the best team in the NFC.

Can't ask for much more than that

[TheRumGone]

6 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

Holding the defense back is what was the classic mistake this game. They had a lot of injuries on their OL and we just played soft for them to get easy catches. When we blitzed and put pressure on their hurt OL they crumbled....I mean....it doesn't take special attributes to figure that one out.

On offense they actually passed to try to pickup some firsts which was good to see even tho we missed a wide open CMC who could have taken that in stride for a big gain if it's out in front of him. Even if he caught that the way it was thrown he would have been tackled there...have to lead the receivers...kind of like the Fozzy miss but it was just a bit too far.

This is another huge issue. Their starting tackles were out. Reiff went out in the game. Why are we going prevent? Which is another alarming issue with this staff. They don’t adjust to stuff that’s happening in the games. I don’t care what anyone says, we need them to be better to end up where we wanna end up. 

[top dawg]

17 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

We didn't lose because of player execution despite Rivera.

I bet the players don't want to go into prevent with 8 minutes left and have to make open field tackles on free crossing routes for 8 minutes after giving 15 yards cushion(not easy to do). We already know what Smitty thinks based on his experience with them and some of the player reactions give it away too.

We weren't in prevent defense.  And that wasn't the only period of the game where the lack of player execution almost cost us.  The Vikings helped us a little bit today,  and each time the defensive backfield was looking very shaky. Not to mention a little bit of an errant throw and catch on an interception (not necessarily dogging the players,  just saying), and an instance where Cam probably should have dumped off to Olsen for a first down as opposed to going for more.  I say this only to say that the calls were largely solid,  and no need to blame Rivera. 

[Snake]

3 minutes ago, teeray said:

We had the ball the chance to win against the best team in the NFC.

Can't ask for much more than that

Yes you can. It's called closing out a game. 

[Fox007]

2 minutes ago, TheRumGone said:

to end up where we wanna end up. 

Exactly...and that's the main point. SB or bust and doing what Rivera does is not the way to go about achieving that. Hell even John Fox made 2 SBs....and lost. Rivera has only shown he is capable of doing what needs to be done when his job was on the line. If he coached like "Riverboat Ron" no one would have any problems with him. And Wilks do or die/die trying way of coaching is why he is so loved/so good and will be a HC soon.

[teeray]

1 minute ago, Snake said:

Yes you can. It's called closing out a game. 

Like we done nine times this season?

[Fox007]

4 minutes ago, top dawg said:

We weren't in prevent defense.  And that wasn't the only period of the game where the lack of player execution almost cost us.  The Vikings helped us a little bit today,  and each time the defensive backfield was looking very shaky. Not to mention a little bit of an errant throw and catch on an interception (not necessarily dogging the players,  just saying), and an instances where Cam probably should have dumped off to Olsen for a first down as opposed to going for more.  I say this only to say that the calls were largely solid,  and no need to blame Rivera. 

We were definitely in prevent....the way Rivera does his Cover 2 is about as prevent as it gets. And yea I agree with the rest there.

[teeray]

3 minutes ago, Fox007 said:

We were definitely in prevent....the way Rivera does his Cover 2 is about as prevent as it gets. And yea I agree with the rest there.

Prevent really wasn't the issue on that long touchdown play.  The point is to keep people in the middle of the field and keep them to six yard or so gains.  If we actually would have played good defense we wouldn't have given up 40 yards after the catch that's the whole point of the defense.

If we would have kept them in the field by the time they got done even if they scored a touchdown to would have been probably about 2 minutes left and we would have been able to seal the game

[Fox007]

1 minute ago, teeray said:

Prevent really wasn't the issue on that long touchdown play.  The point is the key people in the middle of the field and keep them to six yard or so gains.  If we actually would have played good defense we wouldn't have given up 40 yards after the cash that's the whole point of the defense.

If we would have kept them in the field by the time they got done even if they scored a touchdown to would have been probably about 2 minutes left and we would have been able to seal the game

Yea but when you give such a huge cushion the WR is in full stride and if the throw is accurate they have full speed and some room to make a move after the catch. Our S's could be playing better but they wouldn't have to if we manned up and/or blitzed like the final possession they had.

[AggieLean]

I didn’t think we’d win, so I’ll take some of that crow. When I’m wrong, I’ll admit it

[teeray]

1 minute ago, Fox007 said:

Yea but when you give such a huge cushion the WR is in full stride and if the throw is accurate they have full speed and some room to make a move after the catch. Our S's could be playing better but they wouldn't have to if we manned up and/or blitzed like the final possession they had.

True true

[Fox007]

Just now, teeray said:

True true

I mean...I'm not saying it was good defense. I just didn't want them in that type of defense in the first place. Can't be argued...the defense on that play was bullshit and weak AF. I just want our defensive identity to be that blitz style and do or die by that. Don't have to blitz on every play but make them react to us and not the other way around.

[teeray]

Just now, Fox007 said:

I mean...I'm not saying it was good defense. I just didn't want them in that type of defense in the first place. Can't be argued...the defense on that play was bullshit and weak AF. I just want our defensive identity to be that blitz style and do or die by that. Don't have to blitz on every play but make them react to us and not the other way around.

I hear you

And we've blown some games in the past so I get where you're coming from.

But as much as people complain about prevent defense every coach is going to do it so whether you fire Ron Rivera or not the next coach when you're up by double digits halfway through the 4th quarter is going to play some prevent defense