So, The Issue With Steve Wilks And The Defense

[Daeavorn]

Im sorry but at least in the Saints game Worley DID play better than Bradberry. Bradberry has been a big dissapointment this year, and it doesn't seem like he's made much of a leap from year 1 to year 2.

 

[top dawg]

3 hours ago, WarHeel said:

It seems as though most of your arguments relate back to the players themselves and not so much of Wilks.

That may be the appearance, but a coach has got to know the strengths and weaknesses of his personnel.  You can't force a square peg into a round hole without some adverse consequences.  

 

I'm just disappointed with the defensive backfield.  It was never as good as advertised.  No way I believe that Worley is our best corner,  I still believe it's Bradberry even though he hasn't been consistent.  I think that he has the capacity to be a good corner,  but he's not anywhere near there yet.  At this point I'm thinking that he could go either way, and that's not what I want out of a second round pick that was the supposed heir apparent to J-No.  

Generally, I still get the feeling that our personnel just hasn't gotten it together.  The knowledge/experience is definitely not there.  The chemistry is not there, and the talent to pull it all off may not be there. 

[Snake]

5 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

When you realize the Saints game planned to attack Badberry with the run, you will understand the problem. They were quick releasing OLs to the second level to get Kuechly tied up and ran extra traffic in to Kuechly while allowing the cut back to Badberry.

The Saints were fine with leaving Badberry unblocked on their run side. They gave Badberry releases to the runner all day long and challenged him to identify the play and attack the hole. He failed most of the time to even alter the play.

When the opposing offense is running blockers around a defender to overload the LBs with blockers, that defender must make the play or he is a liability to the defense. Badberry is afraid to stick his nose in on the play and give up his body. Not to mention he is an awful tackler.

The Saints also showed no respect for any LB not named Luke. Davis was washed up last year and Shaq should have been starting then but he's still out there being a liability on both run and pass. 

[Rags]

Worry has been playing better as of late.  If he was that consistent he'd be our #1 corner

I'm hoping he builds off the Saints game.  Easily his best game as a pro so far. But iirc he only had 13 coverage snaps.

That said I agree with pretty much everything Saca has said here.  Another thing I want to add though - Star hasn't been as consistent recently, he's getting pushed back a lot more recently and thats concerning. 

[panthers34]

From what I have noticed, in the run game, Kuechly and the LBs are playing way up on the line of scrimmage. Luke usually get an entire gap assigned to him and has to take on a down block instead of playing from space and letting the guys in front of him take on blocks. In the pass game, it's a lot of man coverage and if the RB stays in and blocks, Luke or TD blitz's unless the back flairs out. This is opposed to the past few years where TD and Luke would drop, allow the check down pass, and make the tackle short of the line to gain which I prefer to what Wilks is doing. 

That being said, he is still only in his first year as DC, and he'll hopefully make adjustments and learn from his mistakes going into year 2 if we are lucky enough for him to stick around. I honestly think Wilks is one of the few rare coaches that will make a better head coach than coordinator. He seems very well respected and in control, but his scheme just isn't working against the high powered offenses. 

[panthers34]

And all of you on Bradberry's case, realize that we drafted him to be a zone CB, but Wilks is running a lot of man this year. Last year we ran a lot of zone and because of the shift to man this year it may look like Bradberry took a step back. 

[Johnny Rockets]

With all the blitzing, you would think the DB's would have some INT's. If I'm not mistaken, isn't Mike Adams the only DB with an INT this year?

[Mojo]

6 hours ago, CPantherKing said:

When you realize the Saints game planned to attack Badberry with the run, you will understand the problem. They were quick releasing OLs to the second level to get Kuechly tied up and ran extra traffic in to Kuechly while allowing the cut back to Badberry.

The Saints were fine with leaving Badberry unblocked on their run side. They gave Badberry releases to the runner all day long and challenged him to identify the play and attack the hole. He failed most of the time to even alter the play.

When the opposing offense is running blockers around a defender to overload the LBs with blockers, that defender must make the play or he is a liability to the defense. Badberry is afraid to stick his nose in on the play and give up his body. Not to mention he is an awful tackler.

Straight up.  I mentioned in a thread last season that Bradberry needed to improve against the run and the homers were trying to argue with me.   It's clear as day.  That's another reason we miss Norman.

[WarHeel]

6 hours ago, top dawg said:

That may be the appearance, but a coach has got to know the strengths and weaknesses of his personnel.  You can't force a square peg into a round hole without some adverse consequences.  

 

I'm just disappointed with the defensive backfield.  It was never as good as advertised.  No way I believe that Worley is our best corner,  I still believe it's Bradberry even though he hasn't been consistent.  I think that he has the capacity to be a good corner,  but he's not anywhere near there yet.  At this point I'm thinking that he could go either way, and that's not what I want out of a second round pick that was the supposed heir apparent to J-No.  

Generally, I still get the feeling that our personnel just hasn't gotten it together.  The knowledge/experience is definitely not there.  The chemistry is not there, and the talent to pull it all off may not be there. 

And how much pull did Wilks have at the time of drafting these personnel? Can we blame him for not having any square pegs to work with?

[Saca312]

15 hours ago, toldozer said:

If you think Worley is our best corner I can't take anything you say seriously. 

I’m the biggest Bradberry homer on here.

But right now, Worley’s played better thus far.

[beastson]

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However, his lack of awareness on our personnel, talent level, and situation need to be improved on

Sounds like he gets it from his HC

[Eazy-E]

28 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

I’m the biggest Bradberry homer on here.

But right now, Worley’s played better thus far.

Worley has been terrible all year which is why he has lost playing time to Seymour. There is a reason Worley has the most PI calls against him on the team. It’s because he can’t cover poo. He lacks speed to cover deep 1v1, stiff hips, and undisciplined hands. Those things don’t equate to a good CB.

[Fox007]

10 hours ago, cookinbrak said:

You remember that time that Thomas Davis' wife said the offense weren't doing their job....?

yep she was and still is right. You really wanna post/compare offensive #'s?

[top dawg]

4 hours ago, WarHeel said:

And how much pull did Wilks have at the time of drafting these personnel? Can we blame him for not having any square pegs to work with?

I'm not blaming him for that.  That falls squarely on a round Gettleman (sorry,  couldn't resist).  But, he still needs to adjust to what he has. I would think that he would have more say-so in the future,  or at least have his opinions valued a little more.  That being said,  there will be tough decisions to be made during free agency and the draft. I just feel that we may have more holes than we think between the defensive backfield, receivers,  pass rushers,  and, perhaps the biggest elephant in the room,  LT.