The difference between Kamara and McCaffery?

[Peppers90 NC]

43 minutes ago, Manna said:

Probably already said, but Shula. 

Really, that's it? No talent or physical disparity there just one coach?

 

[SmokinwithWilly]

I would say that part of what has been missing is confidence and rhythm. If we're going to be critical, let's be critical. Cam's play has been mediocre at QB. Injury, a O-line giving out passes to anyone, and a piss poor OC have made Cam's flaws more prevalent. Cam is not the threat at QB that he should be right now and defenses know it. Shula can't adjust to the players we have. We put in Armah at FB and holy hell the running game improves. So the next logical thing is to bench him. 

At this point I would say the weight that has been placed on CMC is immense for a rookie, and while Kamara has some, he doesn't have nearly as much. If Ingram runs on 1st and 2nd, chances are it's going to be a short 3rd down. Stew runs 1st and 2nd, CMC needs 8-12 yards. Without Olsen we have virtually nothing for a passing game. Samuel getting hurt definitely caused issues, but that's where a talented coach and OC begin to scheme around the players they have and put their team in the best position to succeed. Not Rivera and Shula. Hell no. They will run the same lame duck play over and over again just because it worked this one time... And that BS at halftime about calming down and relaxing put the final nail in the coffin for me for RR. I would rather have Fox back right now. 

Kamara can run knowing that if he doesn't get a 1st, someone else can. CMC doesn't have that luxury, and I'm sure he knows it. It's a totally different mindset. It affects how you play. Anyone that has ever played sports knows when it's going good, you feel like a god and you can run over anyone. When you're in quicksand, it's a totally different feeling. I think CMC is trying to hard because he knows he has to carry the weight of this offense on his shoulders. That's a lot of pressure to put on a rookie, and I'm not sure Kamara wouldn't perform differently if he was put in the same situation. 

Right now Kamara looks like the better back, but we're comparing backs in 2 vastly different situations. I wanted Lattimore at 8 and whoever was available at RB in the 2nd. I just don't believe you take a RB in the top 10. That's where you can get the cornerstone players for 10+ years. 

 

[Pantha-kun]

7 minutes ago, SmokinwithWilly said:

I would say that part of what has been missing is confidence and rhythm. If we're going to be critical, let's be critical. Cam's play has been mediocre at QB. Injury, a O-line giving out passes to anyone, and a piss poor OC have made Cam's flaws more prevalent. Cam is not the threat at QB that he should be right now and defenses know it. Shula can't adjust to the players we have. We put in Armah at FB and holy hell the running game improves. So the next logical thing is to bench him. 

At this point I would say the weight that has been placed on CMC is immense for a rookie, and while Kamara has some, he doesn't have nearly as much. If Ingram runs on 1st and 2nd, chances are it's going to be a short 3rd down. Stew runs 1st and 2nd, CMC needs 8-12 yards. Without Olsen we have virtually nothing for a passing game. Samuel getting hurt definitely caused issues, but that's where a talented coach and OC begin to scheme around the players they have and put their team in the best position to succeed. Not Rivera and Shula. Hell no. They will run the same lame duck play over and over again just because it worked this one time... And that BS at halftime about calming down and relaxing put the final nail in the coffin for me for RR. I would rather have Fox back right now. 

Kamara can run knowing that if he doesn't get a 1st, someone else can. CMC doesn't have that luxury, and I'm sure he knows it. It's a totally different mindset. It affects how you play. Anyone that has ever played sports knows when it's going good, you feel like a god and you can run over anyone. When you're in quicksand, it's a totally different feeling. I think CMC is trying to hard because he knows he has to carry the weight of this offense on his shoulders. That's a lot of pressure to put on a rookie, and I'm not sure Kamara wouldn't perform differently if he was put in the same situation. 

Right now Kamara looks like the better back, but we're comparing backs in 2 vastly different situations. I wanted Lattimore at 8 and whoever was available at RB in the 2nd. I just don't believe you take a RB in the top 10. That's where you can get the cornerstone players for 10+ years. 

 

Those are some good points I haven't seen being made about the psychology of the game ! Be sure the coaches are impacting the way these players think/feel as well. We'd be a different team with a competent coaching staff. 

I honestly don't think we'll change much until we get a different owner. He's the only common denominator among the 20+ years of mediocrity we've had in overall wins/losses. Is Ron really that different from Fox? Are either of them inspirational leaders of men that always put their players in the best spots to succeed? 

[SmokinwithWilly]

3 minutes ago, Pantha-kun said:

Those are some good points I haven't seen being made about the psychology of the game ! Be sure the coaches are impacting the way these players think/feel as well. We'd be a different team with a competent coaching staff. 

I honestly don't think we'll change much until we get a different owner. He's the only common denominator among the 20+ years of mediocrity we've had in overall wins/losses. Is Ron really that different from Fox? Are either of them inspirational leaders of men that always put their players in the best spots to succeed? 

They're not that different but at least Fox showed some passion and fire once in a while, until his last year when he knew he was headed out. We've had nothing but defensive guys at HC and that's because JR believes defense builds championships. The rules have changed, literally. 20 years of DCs at HC haven't brought us all that much in long term success, maybe it's time to try something else. 

[beastson]

Remove Shula

Cut Stew

Keep CMC as 2nd string RB, mostly slot WR along with Samuel

Move up for Saquon Barkley

Move up in the 2nd for Billy Price

 

2019 draft, draft mostly O-Line

[Mikey815]

7 minutes ago, beastson said:

Remove Shula

Cut Stew

Keep CMC as 2nd string RB, mostly slot WR along with Samuel

Move up for Saquon Barkley

Move up in the 2nd for Billy Price

 

2019 draft, draft mostly O-Line

Haha trade cmc for a 3rd to pats 

[beastson]

10 minutes ago, Mikey815 said:

Haha trade cmc for a 3rd to pats 

I think Pats would give up a 2nd for CMC, but it'll be a low 2nd of course cause of their success. I really think CMC can be a good piece to our offense. He can catch and still make plays

[MasterAwesome]

Lol at the lazy “Payton vs Shula” argument...do you people realize how many run-of-the-mill swing or screen passes Kamara catches followed by him breaking about 17 tackles for big yardage? Or him decisively bursting through the tiniest seam for a big gain?  It’s almost routine at this point.

[Panthers8969]

well Kamara s also black, so theres that

[Peppers90 NC]

6 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Lol at the lazy “Payton vs Shula” argument...do you people realize how many run-of-the-mill swing or screen passes Kamara catches followed by him breaking about 17 tackles for big yardage? Or him decisively bursting through the tiniest seam for a big gain?  It’s almost routine at this point.

No, no they dont. Rather it be they dont watch games outside of Panthers or just can't give credit to other teams.

[Jesse]

We’d be having the same argument if the players were on the opposite team. Kamara would not have the year he’s had if he was a member of the Panthers. But holy hell imagine if they had CMC - we’d be fugged. 

[GoobyPls]

1 hour ago, beastson said:

I think Pats would give up a 2nd for CMC, but it'll be a low 2nd of course cause of their success. I really think CMC can be a good piece to our offense. He can catch and still make plays

Why the he’ll would the pats waste a 2nd round pick on a scat back when they already have Lewis who they got in free agency for nothing, same with Burkhead.

 

 

[TheCrescent504]

40 minutes ago, Jesse said:

We’d be having the same argument if the players were on the opposite team. Kamara would not have the year he’s had if he was a member of the Panthers. But holy hell imagine if they had CMC - we’d be fugged. 

No, you'd be fugged less because Kamara is just flat out better than CMC. Accept it.

[GoobyPls]

58 minutes ago, MasterAwesome said:

Lol at the lazy “Payton vs Shula” argument...do you people realize how many run-of-the-mill swing or screen passes Kamara catches followed by him breaking about 17 tackles for big yardage? Or him decisively bursting through the tiniest seam for a big gain?  It’s almost routine at this point.

This thread in a nutshell 

its Shula fault

Its the o-lines fault

Its Cam’s fault

 

Throwing everyone under the bus to save Mccaffrey from criticism. When in reality it’s mainly his fault, he’s a niche player who struggles and I mean STRUGGLES to break tackles. He also needs space to make people miss, Kamara makes people miss in a phone booth.