The difference between Kamara and McCaffery?

[NeedSumD]

32 other teams passes on him twice as well right. Damn you Ron Rivera Dilly Dilly 

[Davidson Deac II]

20 minutes ago, Peppers90 NC said:

Kamara has more power, burst and balance, rarely goes down on first contact and equally as good of a receiver. I think the gap between the two will close more so than it will get bigger, Kamara is way more NFL ready than CMC this year. Plus their run game in general is just better than ours.

Agreed.  We can complain about coaches all we want to, but the reality is that at this point in their careers, Kamara is just better.  He is also better than Fournette.  In truth, he is probably the best rookie back this year.  Kamara breaks tackles that CMC would not be able to.  He can run over or around defenders.  He can break tackles and maintain his balance better than just about any rookie back this year. 

[Snake]

He's better because Kamara has a good line and great OC. We have nether. McCaffrey needs space and we give him runs up the middle. 

[unicar15]

The difference is Sean Payton. Kamara routinely catches the ball in space and guys have to catch up to him. When that rarely happens with CMC he makes big plays but it is so rare it doesn’t make an impact. 

When Kamara carries the ball he has big holes. When CMC carries it he has to choose the exact hole to hit and squeeze through. 

The saints just have a better team. The end.

[NeedSumD]

So basically this entire argument is based on any player that is playing well after we drafted. We should have drafted. Regardless of how he was graded on every NFL teams board. The 2 RB’s that was graded 1 &2 was drafted 1 & 2.By that logic, wait that can’t be logic can it sounds more like hind sight than logic. We should have drafted Brady thats for Damn sure if that the “LOGIC” we’re using!!

[saints4lifeagain]

31 minutes ago, micnificent28 said:

I think a lot of you are missing the point. Of course Payton is the better offensive mind and in a better situation,what I am pointing out is once the players have the ball in their hands in open space one on one Kamara makes more plays. He wins on contact and forces a play something McCaffery struggles with. That has nothin to do with Shula or brees. 

To be completely fair to CMC, Kamara is playing at best back in the league level right now, so the comparison is tough for CMC regardless, because Kamara is playing at an unprecedented level for a rookie. You don't expect this kind of production.

Having said that, I completely understand what you're saying, and don't understand why the only rebuttle is "Payton and Brees!!!". Kamara is forcing the most missed tackles in the league per touch and averaging the most YAContact. CMC is near the bottom of the league in both. Your OC doesn't affect that. 

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2 hours ago, thebigcat said:

Both are works of art but one team uses water colors while the other uses broken crayons 

Hey, its not Shulas fault if the players can't execute on a brilliant play that pulls our very-good guards to one side on a fake and then relies on a back-up tight end to handle a premier pass-rusher one-on-one while all of our receivers run 30 yards down the field.

[Moose Hoover]

Well, one's a black guy and one's a white guy.

[Ship]

They get used the same but CMC gets the ball in a much worse starting point. There’s a guy on him in the backfield regularly. Our horizontal passes are slow and easy to see coming so he gets grabbed at the line. No WRs are blocking well for him.

we try to do read option plays with him at the wrong times and it looks awful when they blow up.

Our o-line isn’t as good and we don’t give him a FB to block for him. Saints have been able to invest in some picks and have been lucky with guys panning out. We haven’t.

Kamara is playing off Ingram and CMC is having to regain ground that Stewart loses.

we use him on hard edge plays so he has to run out very wide to get yards. We should be using shorter angles and more over the middle passes to attack a defense’s middle more.

its become clear that what used to be described as the most creative run game is now being pointed out to be just window dressing around the same boring run plays. After teams see through the fact we’re ultimately only going in the same few directions, no matter how we line up, it’s worth it for them to just take the guess and blow up our run game.

we don’t have enough threats at the WR position. I like Funchess as our 1, but Shepard is playing scared to succeed. Losing Samuel for the year was a big blow. He was putting it together and creating that second threat that we could have built success on offense off of. Hopefully Greg doesn’t face any further setbacks and is able to come in hot and produce. That’ll be the difference in the offense getting us to the playoffs or not.

 

Cmc isn’t bad and he will look better in the future. But he’s playing right now as our top guy when he’s on the field and has very little support to break out big plays and is being relegated to short yardage plays.

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4 minutes ago, Ship said:

They get used the same but CMC gets the ball in a much worse starting point. There’s a guy on him in the backfield regularly. Our horizontal passes are slow and easy to see coming so he gets grabbed at the line. No WRs are blocking well for him...

 

Man, I was thinking the same thing over the last few games. Our short passes and screens are SOOOOO SLOW! Timing is less-than-stellar. Cam telegraphs them and then does a little fade away lob. Bad. I'm under the assumption that Cam is coachable and wants to improve yet we don't really see any changes in his poor habits... That leaves me blaming the coaching staff.

[LA_Panther]

If saints drafted Mcaffrey, he’d be having insane numbers like Sproles had for them.

If we drafted Kamara, he’s lucky if he gets more carries than CAP

[tiger7_88]

2 hours ago, Saca312 said:

Kamara also is worlds better than anyone expected. He’s improved a huge ton since Tennessee and it shows.

I'm not gonna dig it up, but back pre-draft I recommended (though I didn't push hard and make it my life's work or anything) that if we wanted a RB in this draft not to use a 1st rounder on a RB (I was on #TeamOJ) and to take Kamara in Round 2.  I was roundly scoffed upon.

And, yes, later in the process where it became pretty clear we were looking heavily at CMC, I joined #TeamCMC (because I preferred him to Fournette).

[Peppers90 NC]

8 minutes ago, LA_Panther said:

If saints drafted Mcaffrey, he’s be having insane numbers like paroles has for them.

If we drafted Kamara, he’s lucky if he gets more carries than CAP

Kamara is pretty much better in every way than CMC and some of it has to do with being in NO but not entirely. CMC would be better in NO but isnt near the runner Kamara is, maybe in a year or two he closes the gap.

[tiger7_88]

2 hours ago, d-dave said:

Let's not forget the team composition around them.  Kamara was not expected to become a focal point, he has forced the issue.  CMC was drafted to be a focal piece for the offense.  Brees is a celebrated, Hall of Fame calibure, QB who has made plenty of nobodies into stars.  The Saints have one of the better offensive minds in football running the show, and feature an offense based around getting the ball out to open guys.  Brees has excelled at that, and Kamara is another cog who can make plays.  What I'm saying is that you can't really focus on Kamara the way our opponents can focus on CMC.  The Saints are too diverse.

Do you think Payton and the Saints would do wonders with Cam and CMC?  I think they would.  I'm not going to knock Kamara, because I'd probably miss or fall off.  He's earned his success. 

Are you saying that the Panther's primary offensive desire to run the ball at any and all cost and to run the clock to "protect the defense" is different than what Sean Payton likes to do?

SHOCKING!  :P