The reason Fox hates stats

[CRA]

b/c they at times point out the obvious....

Jake Delhomme has committed 10 turnovers through week 5 of the NFL season (4 games).

That is more turnovers than 26 teams have committed this season so far.(with teams playing an additional game)

The offense is killing this team. There poor performance yesterday was holding the team back again. Now that isn't all on Delhomme but I put it on him and Davidson/Fox.

[joemac]

Wow, I didnt realize that it was THAT bad.

Thats like way back in the day when Babe Ruth used to hit more homeruns by himself than every other team......except totally terrible.

[panthers55]

Fox is interested in stats. The only one he cares about is points for and points against. That is the only ones that translates into wins and losses. Everything else is instructive, informative, but won't decide if he keeps his job or not.

[CRA]

Fox is interested in stats. The only one he cares about is points for and points against. That is the only ones that translates into wins and losses. Everything else is instructive, informative, but won't decide if he keeps his job or not.

if that stat about Jake and the offense continues.....it will decide the fate of his job with relative ease. imo.

[Seamonk]

b/c they at times point out the obvious....

Jake Delhomme has committed 10 turnovers through week 5 of the NFL season (4 games).

That is more turnovers than 26 teams have committed this season so far.(with teams playing an additional game)

The offense is killing this team. There poor performance yesterday was holding the team back again. Now that isn't all on Delhomme but I put it on him and Davidson/Fox.

You can't pin DeAngelo's fumbles on fox or davidson or delhomme.

The team lacks drive and is just now getting it back somewhat.. only the next game will tell if it's really back. The problem with the offense is.. they can move the ball.. they just stall before getting into scoring position. Our Oline, over the course of one offseason has forgotton how to bulldoze people over. The right side of the oline with Otah and Vincent that was once so powerful that it overwhelmed several teams is now looking very average. Personally i think Vincent hasn't healed up his groin completely and doesn't have the drive in his legs all back. Otah was fired up as a rookie, but young players tend to lose focus when not everything is going their way.

Oline needs to get pumped up and blast Tampa Bay next week. Part of the reason why Gross was so effective in pass blocking last season was because our play action fakes were actually working since the defense could respect the run.

Losing hurts, it leads to explosive players trying to do too much on their own to try to win a game. Examples are Delhomme(who isn't explosive but a lot rides on his arm), Steve Smith, DeAngelo and Beason.

Out of those, Smith, Delhomme and Beason have slowed the game down, trying to take it one play at a time for the most part. But DeAngelo has to not try to DeShaun Foster it and run backwards and fumble. If we lose the turnovers, we could have won this game 7-3.

[CRA]

You can't pin DeAngelo's fumbles on fox or davidson or delhomme.

The team lacks drive and is just now getting it back somewhat.. only the next game will tell if it's really back. The problem with the offense is.. they can move the ball.. they just stall before getting into scoring position. Our Oline, over the course of one offseason has forgotton how to bulldoze people over. The right side of the oline with Otah and Vincent that was once so powerful that it overwhelmed several teams is now looking very average. Personally i think Vincent hasn't healed up his groin completely and doesn't have the drive in his legs all back. Otah was fired up as a rookie, but young players tend to lose focus when not everything is going their way.

Oline needs to get pumped up and blast Tampa Bay next week. Part of the reason why Gross was so effective in pass blocking last season was because our play action fakes were actually working since the defense could respect the run.

Losing hurts, it leads to explosive players trying to do too much on their own to try to win a game. Examples are Delhomme(who isn't explosive but a lot rides on his arm), Steve Smith, DeAngelo and Beason.

Out of those, Smith, Delhomme and Beason have slowed the game down, trying to take it one play at a time for the most part. But DeAngelo has to not try to DeShaun Foster it and run backwards and fumble. If we lose the turnovers, we could have won this game 7-3.

I didn't use Williams' turnovers or anyone elses on Carolina in the post. The point is Jake Delhomme (a single indivdual) has committed more turnovers than 26 NFL teams (that is everyone added together on those squads). Horrific playcalling has not helped Jake.....but those numbers are too much not to really acknowledge how pathetic this Davidson/Fox/Dehlomme led offense is. It isn't so much that they aren't that efficient or effective.....but the fact they have sabatoged the start of the season to a large degree by turning it over.

[panthers55]

if that stat about Jake and the offense continues.....it will decide the fate of his job with relative ease. imo.

If we win 10 games this year we could have the worse offense in the league and Fox will be here. The guy on the hotseat at that point would be Davidson not Fox.

[panthers55]

I didn't use Williams' turnovers or anyone elses on Carolina in the post. The point is Jake Delhomme (a single indivdual) has committed more turnovers than 26 NFL teams (that is everyone added together on those squads). Horrific playcalling has not helped Jake.....but those numbers are too much not to really acknowledge how pathetic this Davidson/Fox/Dehlomme led offense is. It isn't so much that they aren't that efficient or effective.....but the fact they have sabatoged the start of the season to a large degree by turning it over.

The offense is bad right now across the board. Haters point to one player or the other without recognizing that more than one person is involved on a play and there are usually several contributing factors causing the problem. In the end Richardson is a football player as well as an owner and knows what is going on. If he thinks things are out of control he will pull the trigger.

[Khyber53]

Statistically, all that really matter outside of fantasy football is the only one that doesn't matter in fantasy football, wins/losses.

Right now, we're heavier in the losses, but there's some hope.

We can get all caught up in who has what yardage total, or who has how many picks, or who has the most sacks, but really it doesn't matter, does it?

We can all sit around and find any whiny stat we want to to justify firing the coach, or keeping the coach, or benching a QB or knighting a defensive end. But really, do any of them really matter?

-Time of possession? Not if you are the Colts.

-Pass Completion percentage? The Browns won yesterday with Anderson posting 2-17.

-Third down conversions? Not as big of a deal if you consistently convert on 1st or 2nd downs.

-Yards per Carry? Only takes 3.4 yards each time you touch it to move the chains.

-Sacks? Second most overrated stat in the game, right behind tackles.

Of course, that being said, those are all the reasons that make it fun to watch football. You want sacks, precision passing, thunderous rushing attempts, turnovers and whatnot. Without it, it would be just three yards and a cloud of dust all day long. Just slightly more interesting than baseball.

[CRA]

If we win 10 games this year we could have the worse offense in the league and Fox will be here. The guy on the hotseat at that point would be Davidson not Fox.

No way to win 10 games if your QB single handedly is turning the ball over more than 84% of the entire teams in the league. There is no way for that stat to remain the same and for 10 wins to be posted.....some stats do matter.

[panthers55]

No way to win 10 games if your QB single handedly is turning the ball over more than 84% of the entire teams in the league. There is no way for that stat to remain the same and for 10 wins to be posted.....some stats do matter.

First of all that stat has changed given than 5 of the 10 were in the first game. Secondly if you create twice as many turnovers as you commit you will be in every game. And you are right, the stats that matter are wins and losses.

[CRA]

First of all that stat has changed given than 5 of the 10 were in the first game. Secondly if you create twice as many turnovers as you commit you will be in every game. And you are right, the stats that matter are wins and losses.

Jake's number is too alarming not to single him out.

Wins may be the all important stat....but if you don't address the problems (indicated by other stats) you might as well kiss the baby b/c you won't be seeing many Ws.

Jake as an individual has more turnovers than 84% of the teams in the NFL.

As a team, the offense is averaging 3.5 a game.

Those do matter as a they show what is wrong in Carolina and why there are more Ls than Ws.

[carolinarolls]

the stats I pay attention to are completion percentage, turnovers, and third down conversion percentage (being we are a run first team)

everything else is subjective

looking at those alone I would hate stats too if I were John Fox

[panthers55]

Jake's number is too alarming not to single him out.

Wins may be the all important stat....but if you don't address the problems (indicated by other stats) you might as well kiss the baby b/c you won't be seeing many Ws.

Jake as an individual has more turnovers than 84% of the teams in the NFL.

As a team, the offense is averaging 3.5 a game.

Those do matter as a they show what is wrong in Carolina and why there are more Ls than Ws.

First of all your presumption is lame to begin with. Football is a team sport so looking at individual stats doesn't make much sense. Plus if you look at another stat, Jake's poor performances make sense. Through 4 games we have given up 10 sacks which is half what we gave up all of last year. Poor offensive line play is a huge problem with Jake, the run game and the pass game.

Singling out one guy on a team may be fashionable these days but suggests you don't know much about how things in football are linked together or need someone to blame. Either way feel free to carry on. I don't feel the need to beat it up or go on and on. I am going to enjoy this win and look forward to playing better against the Bucs, a team we have owned over the years.