What in the Hell is Wrong With Our Secondary?

[Hoenheim]

3 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

They suck, go watch the tape of the previous games we have gotten extremely lucky. Winston and Cutler missed a ton of wide open receivers down field, Matt Ryan the same and that’s with the Julio drop. Tyrod under threw a open Zay Jones that would have won them the game. If ASJ can cactch that’s two easy TD 

 

So many lucky breaks

As much as most people here dont like you, these are just cold hard facts. Our secondary has been aweful the whole season and been getting bailed out by drops and bad passes. 

[Hoenheim]

5 minutes ago, Rags said:

@Hurney 

Draft Minkah Fitzpatrick or Josh Jackson

OT and WRs are gonna be poo after the top 15 and Nick Chubb is gonna be long gone

We need a playmaker in the secondary, not just guys who do their job.

A-fuging-men dude. We're going to have a crappy bottom 10 draft position and maybe bottom 5 if we make a playoff run. Alot of the great offensive talent (not there's alot in this draft anyway) is going to slide off the board well before we pick. At the current projections theres going to be some good DBs and DEs available near the bottom of the 1st, and probably smarter to go after a offensive skill player in the 2nd or 3rd. 

Its sad because we spent 3 damn picks on corners just last year, and get ANOTHER one this year in the draft, and signing numerous bargain bin free agents, none of it is working at all since JNO left. Just need to suck it up and draft the BPA defensive back in the 1st unless McGlinchey slides for some reason like Ramcyzk went all the way down to 32 to the Saints last year. No way in hell was Bolles a better prospect, and he's definitely been shitting the bed this season in Denver. 

[LA_Panther]

May be Norman caught fire in 2015, but I've cought a couple of Skins games this year and dude was getting smoked. He is a solid starter, but he's not the shutdown corner I thought he was. 

[Hoenheim]

8 minutes ago, LA_Panther said:

May be Norman caught fire in 2015, but I've cought a couple of Skins games this year and dude was getting smoked. He is a solid starter, but he's not the shutdown corner I thought he was. 

different scheme, different team. Point was he was shredding it with us in our scheme. Gettleman thought CBs were a dime a dozen and the real power is in the hog mollies, and he was proven dead wrong last season and this season. 

[uncfan888]

4 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

different scheme, different team. Point was he was shredding it with us in our scheme. Gettleman thought CBs were a dime a dozen and the real power is in the hog mollies, and he was proven dead wrong last season and this season. 

No he wasn't. The power is in the hog mollies. He was right on that. But our line can't get consistent pressure without blitzing so that defeats the purpose 

[Cpt slay a ho]

3 hours ago, PantherNation123 said:

Uh, double dipping worked extremely well with our starting DT's.  Sometimes players either don't pan out, or take longer than we would like (Josh Norman is a prime example of that)

never criticized the double dip, we essentially did it this past draft, triple dipping is another story, especially when it looks like we've gotten one solid starter out of the 3 and may have missed out on a good one this past draft 

[AceBoogie]

They aren't good, were never good. Just overhyped by the Huddle

[AceBoogie]

11 hours ago, LA_Panther said:

May be Norman caught fire in 2015, but I've cought a couple of Skins games this year and dude was getting smoked. He is a solid starter, but he's not the shutdown corner I thought he was. 

Uhhh Norman was playing than anybody at the position before getting hurt this year.

[ShutDwn]

The corners are all in their second year.

Pretty simple, no?

[CPantherKing]

23 hours ago, Panthers8969 said:

ok and how does that explain the drop off from 16? no norman then either

Kurt Coleman was in on 93% of the defensive snaps in 2015 and 2016. In 2017, he has been in on 64% of the defensive snaps. Also, Coleman's production is low in the first half of the season and high late in the season. Coleman's tackle production is greater than 2015 or 2016. He had an expected drop last season, and the injury this season with reduced snaps early in the season would lead me to expect 3 turnovers from him this season to be on par with his expected rate of production.

Coleman was never great to begin with, and he got paid too much by Gettleman for the value he brings to the defensive secondary.

The bigger issue is the lack of impact from Badberry with 99% of the defensive snaps.

[uncfan888]

CPK just randomly comes on in the middle of the night every night to poo on Bradberry and Worley. Loser. 

[OnlyPantherFaninMaine]

They just aren’t very good. Older and slower at the safety position and young and inexperienced at the corner position. If the pass rush and/or blitz ain’t getting home and the backers are occupied we are absolutely vulnerable in the back end. 

 

Ive longed for a true difference maker at safety for a long time and hope we can get one in Charlotte very soon. Coleman’s numbers are impressive over the last couple years but he’s a liability in coverage if he’s alone with a receiver over the top. He’s great when the rush is on as I feel he’s often in the right place at the right time, so credit to him for that. If Fitzpatrick from Bama’ is somehow on the board where we are picking come April, Hurney better pull the trigger. I have to imagine Rivera and Wilkes are chomping at the bit to get a young buck back there with big upside and raw ability. Keanu Neal in ATL has been huge for that defense. 

[iamhubby1]

22 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

They suck, go watch the tape of the previous games we have gotten extremely lucky. Winston and Cutler missed a ton of wide open receivers down field, Matt Ryan the same and that’s with the Julio drop. Tyrod under threw a open Zay Jones that would have won them the game. If ASJ can cactch that’s two easy TD 

 

So many lucky breaks

 

    So, it sounds to me kinda like you are mad because we get lucky every so often? Are you saying we don't deserve to be lucky?  Or that we would be in trouble if we didn't have some luck go our way?

 

    The cliche "Rather be lucky, than good", is around for a reason. Embrace the luck. Luck is our friend. Some times the ball just bounce our way. It is much better than the alternative. 

 

    Come on Goob. We are 8-3, and right in the thick of things. The world is our oyster, and all that jazz. 

[CPantherKing]

Just now, uncfan888 said:

CPK just randomly comes on in the middle of the night every night to poo on Bradberry and Worley. Loser. 

I think it just irks some of you that I am being proven right.

I do not hate all the Gettleman picks/decisions, but I took him to task for some extremely stupid decisions that cost the Panthers future and put way too much pressure on the core Gettleman was handed. The Panthers had the potential to dominate  for 3 to 5 seasons by fortifying the young talent base behind the key vets.

To emphasize the point, the Panthers should be fielding Olsen, Hunter Henry, and Jesse James at TE. They should have KB/Funch rotating at X and Diggs/Landry rotating at Z. Instead, they decided to Get Vernon Butler, Kony Ealy, Daryl Williams, and trading 3 picks to move up for Funch when he, or a comparable offensive weapon, would have been available at 57. One of the main reasons KB is no longer on the team is the Panthers needed to generate future value. That would not have been a problem if the previous front office did not trade the future value away.

Now, we have to hope that the new front office can ramp up the young talent/young team leaders at a rapid pace by accumulating picks and taking the intelligent risk over the next 2 to 3 years on key trades to make up for the lack of future franchise development.