So, To The Point That Supposedly The 8th Overall Should Be An Immediate All-Pro, Here's A List Of The Last Ten 8th Overall Picks

[Mikey815]

7 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    It all comes down to whether or not you feel that CmC was worth the 8th pick?

 

    Some of us are preaching patience. Others? Not so much. 

 

    

Why no debate about Samuel being worth a 2nd rounder?

[iamhubby1]

Just now, Mikey815 said:

Why no debate about Samuel being worth a 2nd rounder?

 

    Well there @Mikey815, that is a good question. Maybe it needs its own thread? Because so far, no one is jumping on that topic.

[Mikey815]

10 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    It all comes down to whether or not you feel that CmC was worth the 8th pick?

 

    Some of us are preaching patience. Others? Not so much. 

 

    

Well what offensive player should we have picked at 8? John Ross or O J Howard were available. Hunt was thought of as a lower round guy and Cook had fumbling and injury issues in college.

[Toomers]

22 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    Please explain to me how your last post was meant to show me how to calculate value? By using a PK in the 1st as an example?

 

    Sorry. But that does nothing to clear this up. 

 

    Just admit that if CmC had more rushing yards, most folks would be fawning all over him. But because his rushing yards are so few. Folks are having trouble accepting the VALUE. 

Yes. If he had shown anything resembling an “every Down” who can handle 20 touches every game, this wouldn’t be an issue. But he hasn’t. He hasn’t done anything we could have gotten out of Woodhead/Burkhead/Reddick/White or any other 3rd down back in the NFL. All UDFA’s and making 3-4M/yr. But we take one with a top 10 pick. 

  It’s just like signing D-Lo and J-Stew to big money contracts when the rest of the league was reluctant to pay even one. Didn’t mean either was a bad player. Just that the value isn’t there no matter how good they performed. 

[Mikey815]

5 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Yes. If he had shown anything resembling an “every Down” who can handle 20 touches every game, this wouldn’t be an issue. But he hasn’t. He hasn’t done anything we could have gotten out of Woodhead/Burkhead/Reddick/White or any other 3rd down back in the NFL. All UDFA’s and making 3-4M/yr. But we take one with a top 10 pick. 

  It’s just like signing D-Lo and J-Stew to big money contracts when the rest of the league was reluctant to pay even one. Didn’t mean either was a bad player. Just that the value isn’t there no matter how good they performed. 

Give him 20 carries from the I formation against the Jets. Let’s see what happens. Hard to get going with 6 carries a game.

[iamhubby1]

9 minutes ago, Mikey815 said:

Well what offensive player should we have picked at 8? John Ross or O J Howard were available. Hunt was thought of as a lower round guy and Cook had fumbling and injury issues in college.

 

    I would have taken CmC. So I am the wrng  person to ask.

 

    Most everyone has some sort of 1st round rule. Some like BPA, and some like to draft somewhat for need. Some won't take a RB in the 1st. The draft is a weird animal. With plenty of opinions on how to tame it.

 

    I guess that is the main reason the draft is such a crap shoot. No way to quantify what pick is truly the best pick. It truly is mostly speculation, and hope.

 

    

[Toomers]

5 minutes ago, Mikey815 said:

Give him 20 carries from the I formation against the Jets. Let’s see what happens. Hard to get going with 6 carries a game.

That would be great. But he hasn’t gotten the chance yet and until he shows he can handle that role, he is what he is. 

[Mikey815]

He averaged 4.6 ypc on 15 carries bs Atlanta He earned the chance for more carries Why are they still giving the ball so much to stew with his 3 ypc and multiple drops and fumbles? He did well vs a poor Miami team but so what

[iamhubby1]

21 minutes ago, Toomers said:

Yes. If he had shown anything resembling an “every Down” who can handle 20 touches every game, this wouldn’t be an issue. But he hasn’t. He hasn’t done anything we could have gotten out of Woodhead/Burkhead/Reddick/White or any other 3rd down back in the NFL. All UDFA’s and making 3-4M/yr. But we take one with a top 10 pick. 

  It’s just like signing D-Lo and J-Stew to big money contracts when the rest of the league was reluctant to pay even one. Didn’t mean either was a bad player. Just that the value isn’t there no matter how good they performed. 

 

    The truth of the matter is. Until CmC finally does start to get those 20 carries. We have no clue where his true value lies.

 

    IMO, it is too early, and too few carries into his career. To draw any type of conclusion. 

 

    If you want to draw a definitive conclusion on him, after 10 games. Be my guest. I, and a few others, are willing to let this play out. Before we start jumping to conclusions.

 

    

 

    

    

[iamhubby1]

35 minutes ago, Mikey815 said:

Give him 20 carries from the I formation against the Jets. Let’s see what happens. Hard to get going with 6 carries a game.

 

    Sounds reasonable to me. 

 

    Well, all except that I formation thingy. You do need to throw some other looks in there as well. But yeah, I get where you have drifted.

[MasterAwesome]

I understand RBs sometimes need more carries to get into a groove, but at what expense are you going to continue to feed them the ball? If their stat line is something like 12 carries for 33 yards then at some point you have to consider steering your offensive attack towards the passing game if these run plays are essentially wasted plays. A lot of the same people wanting McCaffrey to get 20+ carries are likely the same people yelling at Shula for calling these run plays netting 1-2 yards. Unless you’re content with McCaffrey getting stuffed as long as it isn’t up the gut or something...I dunno, I can’t keep up with all the complaints around here.

[iamhubby1]

32 minutes ago, Toomers said:

That would be great. But he hasn’t gotten the chance yet and until he shows he can handle that role, he is what he is. 

 

    Nice. I like how you slip that negative slant in there. "Until he shows he can handle that role". 

 

    It is darn hard to show what you can do, without getting the opportunity to do just that. 

 

    

[Mikey815]

7 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    Nice. I like how you slip that negative slant in there. "Until he shows he can handle that role". 

 

    It is darn hard to show what you can do, without getting the opportunity to do just that. 

 

    

 

[Mikey815]

Just now, Mikey815 said:

 

Just give him the damn ball Rivera is too worried about hurting Stewart’s feelings