Mike Palardy Compares Himself To Drew Brees As Both Backup QBs Were Out Today

[iamhubby1]

6 minutes ago, Nails said:

We may or may not get away with it-but the league takes kill shots at our QB and we’ve already learned the big money to an aging name is fool’s gold.  At present our punter is playing QB.  Food for thought at this point.

 

    First. Can you even remember the last time Cam got a "Kill Shot"? It has to be sometime last year. Because even though the Oline took a while to gel, I don't remember him taking one of those Denver type hits this year.

 

    IMO, there are 3 reasons Cam has been beaten up so much this year. 1. Most teams don't head hunt. 2. Our Oline has played better than expected. 3. CmC has gotten Cam to use the check downs.

    Cam has been Cam for almost 7 years. Even with all that extra crap, he has only missed, what?, 4 games. So I just don't see the urgency for a replacement others seem to need.

 

    Lastly, Palardy OFFERED to QB, but never got the chance. And the only reason it even became a problem was because BOTH our backups were ill.

 

    It is no where near the dire situation folks are making it out to be.

[iamhubby1]

13 minutes ago, Nails said:

Not in the 1st.  Cam has another decade of good football.  But a huge difference between late 1st and late 2nd.

 

     So, in essence, what you are proposing is to draft a quality QB. Hopefully develop him. And if we don't need him, trade him for assets? 

 

    But then state, Cam will be here for another 10 years. If Cam is going to be here that long, we don't need his replacement for another 7 years or so.

 

    And IMO, you cannot use valuable draft picks, on the hope of turning a QB into an asset.

 

    Gilbert, although not neccessarily a kid, has flashed for us. As had a few in the past. Finding that quality backup is tricky bidness. But using quality resources at this time? Not going along with that.

 

    We need a backup that can lead a practice. We need a backup that could maybe finish a game, or win one. We do not need to use a draft pick, especially that high of one, to groom to replace Cam.

 

    tl/dr version; We are not at the point where we can use a 2nd round pick, on a HOPE TO DEVELOP AND TURN HIM INTO AN ASSET QB.

[Nails]

7 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

     So, in essence, what you are proposing is to draft a quality QB. Hopefully develop him. And if we don't need him, trade him for assets? 

 

    But then state, Cam will be here for another 10 years. If Cam is going to be here that long, we don't need his replacement for another 7 years or so.

 

    And IMO, you cannot use valuable draft picks, on the hope of turning a QB into an asset.

 

    Gilbert, although not neccessarily a kid, has flashed for us. As had a few in the past. Finding that quality backup is tricky bidness. But using quality resources at this time? Not going along with that.

 

    We need a backup that can lead a practice. We need a backup that could maybe finish a game, or win one. We do not need to use a draft pick, especially that high of one, to groom to replace Cam.

 

    tl/dr version; We are not at the point where we can use a 2nd round pick, on a HOPE TO DEVELOP AND TURN HIM INTO AN ASSET QB.

All of that offers zero solution to the problem.  Yes, problem.  No backup QB=no hope if Cam goes down, no one to give our offense additional needed reps in practices to save Cam, etc.  DA, Kaaya types are obviously hot garbage.  Gilbert is less than an afterthought for us like he has been for many other teams.  Solution?

[Mr. Scot]

38 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    I am sorry, but, I don't see it. We do not need a replacement for Cam. We need a back up. We are a long way from needing to groom that guy. All we need is a guy who could be DECENT in practice, and MAYBE play well enough to keep us in it, for a game or two.

 

    I mean, when will this Cam is fragile narrative end? Cam has been Cam for almost 7 years. And he has missed what? 4 games? 

 

    We have Gilbert, who has flashed, and knows the system. We have Kayaa, whom for some odd reason, the FO seems to like. Two up and comers who can fight it out.

 

    We don't need to use resources on a back up at this time. 

We don't have Kaaya.

[Mr. Scot]

48 minutes ago, *FreeFua* said:

 

That'd be...interesting.

I'm actually a bigger fan of Mason Rudolph.

(not that I foresee either one actually happening)

[iamhubby1]

Just now, Nails said:

All of that offers zero solution to the problem.  Yes, problem.  No backup QB=no hope if Cam goes down, no one to give our offense additional needed reps in practices to save reps, etc.  DA, Kaaya types are obviously hot garbage.  Solution?

 

    Short story long? When you have a franchise QB. You spend your resources building a team around him. You do not waste resources, on a replacement. Especially when you expect that QB to play for another decade or so.

 

    Every team with a franchise QB is looking for a quality backup. Every team without a franchise QB, is looking for one. There are not enough QB to go around. We cannot just stockpile them. It just isn't frugal.

   

 

 

[Nails]

12 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    Short story long? When you have a franchise QB. You spend your resources building a team around him. You do not waste resources, on a replacement. Especially when you expect that QB to play for another decade or so.

 

    Every team with a franchise QB is looking for a quality backup. Every team without a franchise QB, is looking for one. There are not enough QB to go around. We cannot just stockpile them. It just isn't frugal.

   

 

 

Most of the great dynasties ever had multiple QBs in the fold, including but not limited to the aforementioned Patriots and Packers, the great 49ers dynasty, the Redskins, Raiders, and other multiple champions of yesteryear.  Even the Cowboys spent a FIRST (ended up being #1 overall!!!) on STEVE WALSH immediately after taking Aikman!!!

[Saca312]

cam's still one of the better pocket passers in the league. even if his mobility goes, he'll still be a solid passer for quite some time. 

we don't need a replacement that early. especially in this wishy-washy draft class. 

oh, and Rosen's the most overrated QB on the planet. 

[Nails]

Just now, Saca312 said:

cam's still one of the better pocket passers in the league. even if his mobility goes, he'll still be a solid passer for quite some time. 

we don't need a replacement that early. especially in this wishy-washy draft class. 

oh, and Rosen's the most overrated QB on the planet. 

This is zero about Cam, who I contend will only get better into his late 20’s/early 30’s. This is about going in a vastly different direction than the current crapola at the backup QB position, giving our team a much needed lift/upgrade in 2nd team reps, a chance if Cam goes down, and a tradable asset which can be used at any time to fill another need of need be.

It’s early but food for thought.  A low 2nd is absolutely not too early for a guy that legitimately fills that need.

[iamhubby1]

Just now, Nails said:

Most of the great dynasties ever had multiple QBs in the fold, including but not limited to the aforementioned Patriots and Packers, the great 49ers, the Redskins, Raiders, and others of yesteryear.  Even the Cowboys spent a FIRST on STEVE WALSH immediately after taking Aikman!!!

 

    Please don't take this the wrong way. But...you are obviously reaching. You are talking about an era where rookies did not command much money. Where there were far fewer QBs to be had.

 

    In the MODERN NFL, only the Cheatriots have gotten away with using resources on a backup QB, and had it work out. 

 

    We are not those guys. We have Cam fugging Newton. The guy is  near indestructible.  

 

    The only way you use a 2nd round pick on a QB, is if you are set. Teams nowadays do not have the luxury of using a high draft pick on a developmental QB. Sorry. 

[Nails]

1 minute ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    Please don't take this the wrong way. But...you are obviously reaching. You are talking about an era where rookies did not command much money. Where there were far fewer QBs to be had.

 

    In the MODERN NFL, only the Cheatriots have gotten away with using resources on a backup QB, and had it work out. 

 

    We are not those guys. We have Cam fugging Newton. The guy is  near indestructible.  

 

    The only way you use a 2nd round pick on a QB, is if you are set. Teams nowadays do not have the luxury of using a high draft pick on a developmental QB. Sorry. 

Exactly the opposite.  Rookie wage scale means cheaper labor for a backup rookie QB.  Other options are GRIM.  We’ll see.

[iamhubby1]

2 minutes ago, Nails said:

Exactly the opposite.  Rookie wage scale means cheaper labor for a backup rookie QB.  Other options are GRIM.  We’ll see.

 

    I am going to repeat what I said the first time. If you think this team is at the point where we can use a 2nd round pick on a QB, just hoping to get future benefits later. Then you are more optimistic than I am my friend.

 

    Just because you can site instances from the past. Does not make it a good idea. 

[Nails]

4 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    I am going to repeat what I said the first time. If you think this team is at the point where we can use a 2nd round pick on a QB, just hoping to get future benefits later. Then you are more optimistic than I am my friend.

 

    Just because you can site instances from the past. Does not make it a good idea. 

Not for any QB, I agree.  But for a guy like Allen (very unlikely he’s there) it would be.  BPA with a sliding horizontal scale giving the advantage to DE, S, WR/TE, etc.

[iamhubby1]

15 minutes ago, Nails said:

Not for any QB, I agree.  But for a guy like Allen (very unlikely he’s there) it would be.  BPA with a sliding horizontal scale giving the advantage to DE, S, WR/TE, etc.

 

    So, what it comes down to is this. You like Allen, and want to figure out a way that we can draft him. 

 

    Which is fine. IF, you think this team is set. That this team, as is, can compete for a SuperB owl. Because otherwise, using a 2nd round pick, on a QB, for future considerations. Is a huge gamble.