Panthers wide receivers from a college standpoint

[CPcavedweller]

On 11/19/2017 at 10:13 AM, Mikey815 said:

And Sheppard can’t catch worth poo. So right now we have two big targets in funchess and Olsen and no experienced speed guy Maybe we should use cmc in slot once in a while and send him deep 

The receivers played well last week sans Shepard horrible drop. Cam tends to play better when he believes he has to elevate the guys around him. I think forcing him to be more accountable to his preparation, and the belief that he has to help make guys better, forces him to play better. We've seen it when Benji was injured in 2015, and now since Benji has been gone this season.

Plus we get Olsen back, and Byrd should be able to fill that Ted Ginn role we've been missing to keep guys out of the box. 

[LinvilleGorge]

8 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Every time I see a post like this I ask.... Why do people continually leave out Greg Olsen. Just bc the dude is a TE does not mean he isn't a/the TOP RECEIVER. We drafted KB for the purpose of that legit #1 and it didn't work out.

Also, we should consider that Shula's offense isn't designed for a top receiver. The one thing all those players have in common is they are humble and hungry. I'd prefer that rather than a Dez Bryant drama or Odell Beckham contract distraction.

However, I do believe the team needs either a true slot reciever (maybe samuel) and crisp route running VETERAN #2 (assuming Funchess continues his ascendance.)

Because Olsen has missed the last six weeks? 

[TheCasillas]

4 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Because Olsen has missed the last six weeks? 

What does that have to do with who are top receivers are? Is he not on track to play this week? The context of the post makes it sound like Cam hasn't ever had anyone to throw to. Stating "it's a miracle." 

[LinvilleGorge]

16 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

What does that have to do with who are top receivers are? 

Surely you can't be this dense. 

[GoobyPls]

2 hours ago, AU-panther said:

I'm not saying our receivers are great, just pointing out that that resources were used to help cam.  As it turns out some of those resources might not have worked out like we wanted but hindsight is always 20/20.

What do you think we should have done?  I think you liked Dorsett when he came out, what has he done?  You were really high on Ross this year, how many catches does he have, and to be honest I liked him a lot also.  The year we took Shaq I was considering Perriman at that point.  That really hasn't worked out either.

There is this narrative that our passing attack is bad because we have bad receivers.  Is there any chance that our receivers are bad because our coaching, scheme, or QB play is bad?

Could we have better WR play? of course, but I think it is more to it then just that.  I don't think improving our passing attack is as easy as we should have drafted Ross or signed Jeffrey.  There is more to it then that.

What do I want?

How about sign a veteran proven receiver. Someone like Mike Wallace or Maclin. 

Our recivers are bad cause no one wants them, and that’s the truth. 

Also I already said Ross went to a horrible situation, Dalton is one of the worst deep ball throwers in the nfl. You really think he would be struggling beating out the great Russell Shepard if we drafted him.

[GoobyPls]

3 hours ago, grimesgoat said:

Drafting WRs seems to be a total crapshoot.  We've drafted plenty of college studs that didn't pan out in the NFL.   I can't see how anyone can possibly argue more college production somehow automatically translates into more production in the NFL given the following Panther draft highlights over the past 10+ years...

Adams - 4th round - College stats: 164-2410-17.  Pro stats: 1-7-0

Pilares - 5th round - College stats: 209-2491-22, Pro stats: 2-42-0

Lafell - 2nd round - College stats: 175-2517-25, Pro stats: mediocre but the best we ever did

Gettis - 5th round - College stats: 116-1555-4, Pro stats: 37-508-?

Jarrett - 2nd round - College stats: 216-3138-41, Pro stats: 35-428-1

Robinson - 4th round - College stats: 258-3697-22, Pro stats: 4-35

Colbert - 2nd round - College stats: 207-2964-19, Pro stats: 130-1629-8

If I have to go any further back I may kill myself. 

The most rag-tag receiving corps in the league year in and year out is New England (other than when they had Moss).  Brady makes it work.  Why shouldn't Cam?

Outside of Jerrett all those guys you named were a bunch of no names unproved receivers. Pilares and Adams were mainly returners for fug sakes

 

Also the patriots rag tag??? Cooks is a pro bowl receiver, and Amendola was the rams leading WR. The patriots are constantly going after proven veteran receivers

 

 

[GoobyPls]

46 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Every time I see a post like this I ask.... Why do people continually leave out Greg Olsen. Just bc the dude is a TE does not mean he isn't a/the TOP RECEIVER. We drafted KB for the purpose of that legit #1 and it didn't work out.

Also, we should consider that Shula's offense isn't designed for a top receiver. The one thing all those players have in common is they are humble and hungry. I'd prefer that rather than a Dez Bryant drama or Odell Beckham contract distraction.

However, I do believe the team needs either a true slot reciever (maybe samuel) and crisp route running VETERAN #2 (assuming Funchess continues his ascendance.)

Cause I specifically said “wide receiver”

 

Also people around here seem to forget the 2015 and how it ended, 6 drops in the super bowl which ended up losing the game 

[ForJimmy]

We aren't trying to be a 5 wide passing down the field type of team. Our money is invested in our QB, defensive front 7, and now o-line. We want to be a power running team with a strong defense. I don't see us paying big name FA WR big money under this coaching staff with their philosophy...

[TheCasillas]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Surely you can't be this dense. 

you and I are discussing two different points apparently. Olsen's short-term absence does not remove him from the "top receiver on our team" conversation. He isn't a "ragtag" WR (neither is funchess). 

[TheCasillas]

58 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Cause I specifically said “wide receiver”

 

Also people around here seem to forget the 2015 and how it ended, 6 drops in the super bowl which ended up losing the game 

lol. Sure.Because the way our run defense, offensive line, pass rush and running game played were on track to win that game. It was an all around bad day for the team. Not just dropped balls.

 

I'd be willing to label Greg Olsen as a receiver on this team. Considering majority of his snaps were at WR. We just seem to overlook it. Give the man credit where credit is do. 

http://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2017/06/05/panthers-2016-snap-counts-greg-olsens-versatility-on-display/

[GoobyPls]

11 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

lol. Sure.Because the way our run defense, offensive line, pass rush and running game played were on track to win that game. It was an all around bad day for the team. Not just dropped balls.

 

I'd be willing to label Greg Olsen as a receiver on this team. Considering majority of his snaps were at WR. We just seem to overlook it. Give the man credit where credit is do. 

http://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2017/06/05/panthers-2016-snap-counts-greg-olsens-versatility-on-display/

Your comparing drops to a bad running game and bad pass blocking LOL. How are they even equivalent????

 

You can say that for every TE in the league, that doesn’t change the topic. 

[TheCasillas]

5 minutes ago, GoobyPls said:

Your comparing drops to a bad running game and bad pass blocking LOL. How are they even equivalent????

 

You can say that for every TE in the league, that doesn’t change the topic. 

Players failing to do their jobs.......

• I wasn't comparing them to each other, but since you helped me the rest of the way. It is failure to do their jobs. I was clearly stating that the drops were NOT the reason we lost that game. People on our team played bad football on what ended up being a bad day for most of us.

Show me. Aside from Jordan Reed, Grink, Kelce, and Graham... Show EVERY TE IN THE LEAGUE THAT LINES UP MAJORITY OF THEIR SNAPS AT WR. 

He has the ability to play two different positions - you use bad WR to discredit Cam's weapons while leaving out one of the BEST receiving options in the league.

[GoobyPls]

20 minutes ago, TheCasillas said:

Players failing to do their jobs.......

• I wasn't comparing them to each other, but since you helped me the rest of the way. It is failure to do their jobs. I was clearly stating that the drops were NOT the reason we lost that game. People on our team played bad football on what ended up being a bad day for most of us.

Show me. Aside from Jordan Reed, Grink, Kelce, and Graham... Show EVERY TE IN THE LEAGUE THAT LINES UP MAJORITY OF THEIR SNAPS AT WR. 

He has the ability to play two different positions - you use bad WR to discredit Cam's weapons while leaving out one of the BEST receiving options in the league.

The drops weren’t the sole reason but the main reason we lost. Drop passes are a sole action, playing bad against the best rush in the nfl is a game long sequence.

 

You basically named all the best TE and said name me a average TE that doesn’t line up at WR. Btw Gates, Henry, Ertz all line up at WR

 

And now you are trying basically say “Oh well Cam has Olsen so he has enough weapons” as if it’s in the nfl rule book that Cam can only have one legit pro bowl weapon. And I SPECIFICALLY put wide receivers in the title for a reason, cause I knew detractors like you was gonna use Olsen as an excuse for our poor WR core

[grimesgoat]

1 hour ago, GoobyPls said:

Outside of Jerrett all those guys you named were a bunch of no names unproved receivers. Pilares and Adams were mainly returners for fug sakes

 

Also the patriots rag tag??? Cooks is a pro bowl receiver, and Amendola was the rams leading WR. The patriots are constantly going after proven veteran receivers

 

 

Your entire opening post was whining about the fact none of our receivers had big careers as WRs at the college level.  Hell, the name of the stupid topic is "Panthers Wide Receivers from a College Standpoint".  I provided you with past Panthers draft picks that had huge numbers in college and didn't do squat in the NFL.  Point is maybe getting guys that put up big numbers in college is not necessarily the best way to build a receiver corps.

I agree the Patriots finally got a stud WR in Cooks.  Prior to this year, their rag-tagginess was much worse.

But THE Amendola?  The Rams stud that put up 63-666-3 in 2012 and from 2013-2016 has averaged 42-431-2 for New England?  He is the very definition of "rag-tag". It's generous to call him average.