Panthers wide receivers from a college standpoint

[Shocker]

2 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

I got 100 gifs of Tavon Austin at WVU running those same routes 

 

You are literally recycling the same none sense over and over again, half the gifs was him being faster than the guy covering him and has nothing to do with route running.

You should probably quit while you are way behind.  Saca roasted you here.

[AU-panther]

Should have drafted Phillip Dorsett, right? Or Ross

hindsight is easy

Or JuJu, but maybe if he was here he wouldn’t be doing as well here and people would be complaining about Cam not having any decent receivers.

We spent a top 15 pick on one receiver, traded up to top of second for another, second on another this year, one of the highest paid olines in the nfl, one of the highest paid backfields.  The Cam has no resources is severely overplayed around here.  The only thing we really haven’t tried changing for Cam is coaches.

Is Pittsburg passing attack good because of Brown or is Brown good because of  Ben and the coaching staff there.

You could put Desean Jackson, Julio Jones, and AB on this team and I have my doubts our production would be much different.

 

[GoobyPls]

37 minutes ago, AU-panther said:

Should have drafted Phillip Dorsett, right? Or Ross

hindsight is easy

Or JuJu, but maybe if he was here he wouldn’t be doing as well here and people would be complaining about Cam not having any decent receivers.

We spent a top 15 pick on one receiver, traded up to top of second for another, second on another this year, one of the highest paid olines in the nfl, one of the highest paid backfields.  The Cam has no resources is severely overplayed around here.  The only thing we really haven’t tried changing for Cam is coaches.

Is Pittsburg passing attack good because of Brown or is Brown good because of  Ben and the coaching staff there.

You could put Desean Jackson, Julio Jones, and AB on this team and I have my doubts our production would be much different.

 

Ah yes the Cam has a load of weapons argument 

 

I remember hearing this in 2015, all those wide receivers ended up getting cut and Ginn was the only one who made it on another roster.

 

It seems castoff receiver no other teams want is considered talent 

[GoobyPls]

1 hour ago, Saca312 said:

and they have. so i really don't know what he's trying to argue lmao.

How so? 

 

You add up the stats of every single receiver on our roster including practice squad and they won’t add up to the average number 1 WR numbers 

 

If that’s production for you, your standard are terribly low.

[Saca312]

Just now, GoobyPls said:

How so? 

 

You add up the stats of every single receiver on our roster including practice squad and they won’t add up to the average number 1 WR numbers 

 

If that’s production for you, your standard are terribly low.

oh snore

past games not including week 11 - 

• Julio Jones (ATL): 49 Catches | 715 Yards | 14.6 YPC l 1 TD
• Michael Thomas (NO): 59 Catches | 662 Yards | 11.2 YPC l 2 TDs
• Devin Funchess (CAR): 43 Catches | 535 Yards | 12.4 YPC l 5 TDs
• Mike Evans (TB): 40 Catches | 532 Yards | 13.3 YPC l 4 TD

From these stats, here's Funchess' hallmarks:

• 1st the NFC South in touchdowns so far this season with five total.
• 3rd in total yards and average yards per catch.

In the past two games where Funchess was a true WR1:

• Julio Jones (ATL): 12 Catches | 175 Yards | 14.6 YPC l 0 TD
• Michael Thomas (NO): 17 Catches | 182 Yards | 10.7 YPC l 0 TDs
• Devin Funchess (CAR): 10 Catches | 178 Yards | 17.8 YPC l 2 TDs
• Mike Evans* (TB): 6 Catches | 73 Yards | 12.2 YPC l 0 TD

So, based on these stats with Funchess as WR1...

• 1st in the NFC South with touchdowns over the past two games (2).
• 1st in the NFC South with average yards per catch over the past two games with an astounding average 17.8 YPC.
• 2nd in the NFC South with total yards over the past two games, ahead of both Mike Evans and Julio Jones.

 

[Saca312]

not arguing that cam ever had much talent, because he clearly didn't.

but you seem ready to call off the potential in some good receivers we have lol.

[JARROD]

How's the FA receivers doing for philly? Awesome.

im on the FA bandwagon,...go get a Watkins AND a Jackson,.. hell. 

 

[GoobyPls]

1 hour ago, Saca312 said:

oh snore

past games not including week 11 - 

• Julio Jones (ATL): 49 Catches | 715 Yards | 14.6 YPC l 1 TD
• Michael Thomas (NO): 59 Catches | 662 Yards | 11.2 YPC l 2 TDs
• Devin Funchess (CAR): 43 Catches | 535 Yards | 12.4 YPC l 5 TDs
• Mike Evans (TB): 40 Catches | 532 Yards | 13.3 YPC l 4 TD

From these stats, here's Funchess' hallmarks:

• 1st the NFC South in touchdowns so far this season with five total.
• 3rd in total yards and average yards per catch.

In the past two games where Funchess was a true WR1:

• Julio Jones (ATL): 12 Catches | 175 Yards | 14.6 YPC l 0 TD
• Michael Thomas (NO): 17 Catches | 182 Yards | 10.7 YPC l 0 TDs
• Devin Funchess (CAR): 10 Catches | 178 Yards | 17.8 YPC l 2 TDs
• Mike Evans* (TB): 6 Catches | 73 Yards | 12.2 YPC l 0 TD

So, based on these stats with Funchess as WR1...

• 1st in the NFC South with touchdowns over the past two games (2).
• 1st in the NFC South with average yards per catch over the past two games with an astounding average 17.8 YPC.
• 2nd in the NFC South with total yards over the past two games, ahead of both Mike Evans and Julio Jones.

 

So you trying to change the narrative to fit your agenda?

add up Funchess career numbers along with every other receiver on our roster and compare those numbers to Mike Evans or Jackson. So 6 wide receivers vs 1 let see that great production you keep talking about.

 

BTW you do know Ginn has more yards than Funchess right? So does Desean. And you do know Funchess has been leading us in targets since week 3, so that whole number 1 thing goes out the window.

[grimesgoat]

Drafting WRs seems to be a total crapshoot.  We've drafted plenty of college studs that didn't pan out in the NFL.   I can't see how anyone can possibly argue more college production somehow automatically translates into more production in the NFL given the following Panther draft highlights over the past 10+ years...

Adams - 4th round - College stats: 164-2410-17.  Pro stats: 1-7-0

Pilares - 5th round - College stats: 209-2491-22, Pro stats: 2-42-0

Lafell - 2nd round - College stats: 175-2517-25, Pro stats: mediocre but the best we ever did

Gettis - 5th round - College stats: 116-1555-4, Pro stats: 37-508-?

Jarrett - 2nd round - College stats: 216-3138-41, Pro stats: 35-428-1

Robinson - 4th round - College stats: 258-3697-22, Pro stats: 4-35

Colbert - 2nd round - College stats: 207-2964-19, Pro stats: 130-1629-8

If I have to go any further back I may kill myself. 

The most rag-tag receiving corps in the league year in and year out is New England (other than when they had Moss).  Brady makes it work.  Why shouldn't Cam?

[AU-panther]

10 hours ago, GoobyPls said:

Ah yes the Cam has a load of weapons argument 

 

I remember hearing this in 2015, all those wide receivers ended up getting cut and Ginn was the only one who made it on another roster.

 

It seems castoff receiver no other teams want is considered talent 

I'm not saying our receivers are great, just pointing out that that resources were used to help cam.  As it turns out some of those resources might not have worked out like we wanted but hindsight is always 20/20.

What do you think we should have done?  I think you liked Dorsett when he came out, what has he done?  You were really high on Ross this year, how many catches does he have, and to be honest I liked him a lot also.  The year we took Shaq I was considering Perriman at that point.  That really hasn't worked out either.

There is this narrative that our passing attack is bad because we have bad receivers.  Is there any chance that our receivers are bad because our coaching, scheme, or QB play is bad?

Could we have better WR play? of course, but I think it is more to it then just that.  I don't think improving our passing attack is as easy as we should have drafted Ross or signed Jeffrey.  There is more to it then that.

[LinvilleGorge]

50 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

Drafting WRs seems to be a total crapshoot.  We've drafted plenty of college studs that didn't pan out in the NFL.   I can't see how anyone can possibly argue more college production somehow automatically translates into more production in the NFL given the following Panther draft highlights over the past 10+ years...

Adams - 4th round - College stats: 164-2410-17.  Pro stats: 1-7-0

Pilares - 5th round - College stats: 209-2491-22, Pro stats: 2-42-0

Lafell - 2nd round - College stats: 175-2517-25, Pro stats: mediocre but the best we ever did

Gettis - 5th round - College stats: 116-1555-4, Pro stats: 37-508-?

Jarrett - 2nd round - College stats: 216-3138-41, Pro stats: 35-428-1

Robinson - 4th round - College stats: 258-3697-22, Pro stats: 4-35

Colbert - 2nd round - College stats: 207-2964-19, Pro stats: 130-1629-8

If I have to go any further back I may kill myself. 

The most rag-tag receiving corps in the league year in and year out is New England (other than when they had Moss).  Brady makes it work.  Why shouldn't Cam?

Yeah, that rag tag group includes two former 1st round draft picks. 

[grimesgoat]

28 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Yeah, that rag tag group includes two former 1st round draft picks. 

Agreed, they did manage to trade for Cooks.  He's good.  But Dorsett looks like someone the Panthers would have drafted: 2017 stats = 6-101-0 in 10 games.

Meanwhile they trot out Amendola (undrafted), Hogan (undrafted), and before he was hurt Edelman (7th rounder). 

Even their RBs are a who's who of who?  Bolden (undrafted), Burkhead (6th), Gillislee (5th), White (4th), and Lewis (5th).

They have surrounded Brady with a total of 2 legit "weapons" (Gronk and Cooks), yet here they are, the consensus pick for AFC rep in the SB.

[LinvilleGorge]

They've surrounded him with guys who ideally fit their offensive system though. Their offense revolves around small, shifty receivers and getting the ball out quickly. 

[TheCasillas]

On 11/19/2017 at 3:38 AM, GoobyPls said:

If Cam continues to produce with ragtag group it’s truly a miracle. Imagine the day this team actually dedicates resources to get some legit receivers 

 

Funchess - was a TE until his last year at Michigan, his career high was under 750 yards in a season

Shepard - Had more rushing yards than receiving yards at LSU, was a dual threat QB in HS and was recruited as a QB

Samuel - Also had more rushing yards than receiving, his career high was around 800 yards, mostly swing and screen passes 

Clay - Mainly used as a returner at Utah.

Byrd - situational deep threat who never had more than 600 yards receiving 

 

Bersin was actually the most productive college receiver 

Every time I see a post like this I ask.... Why do people continually leave out Greg Olsen. Just bc the dude is a TE does not mean he isn't a/the TOP RECEIVER. We drafted KB for the purpose of that legit #1 and it didn't work out.

Also, we should consider that Shula's offense isn't designed for a top receiver. The one thing all those players have in common is they are humble and hungry. I'd prefer that rather than a Dez Bryant drama or Odell Beckham contract distraction.

However, I do believe the team needs either a true slot reciever (maybe samuel) and crisp route running VETERAN #2 (assuming Funchess continues his ascendance.)