DG in retrospect

[NanuqoftheNorth]

JR is ultimately at the root of the problem when it comes to years of Panthers mediocrity.

However, anyone thinking Hurney has turned over a new leaf is setting themselves up to be disappointed.  Hard to find people who recreate themselves, much less ones who are over half a century in age.

[grimesgoat]

On ‎11‎/‎11‎/‎2017 at 9:33 PM, CarolinaSamurai said:

Again. You pick a future pick in the first round. A type of pick that's suppose to help you immediately for the future? Sure if you don't need a lot more help in other areas immediately. I would argue a first round safety, DE, or Tackle would have immediately helped our team in the super bowl and years after more than Shaq has. Still a great player no doubt just I don't like the pick.

LB is so important to what Ron wants to do.  Gettleman probably figured this TD clone (Shaq) would take a year to develop in  2015, then replace Davis as the starter in 2016.  Davis, god bless him, has defied the odds and continues to play at a pretty high level into 2017.

Gettleman played the odds with Shaq.  TD's age, injury history, and salary demands should have made replacing him as a starter in 2016 a no-brainer.  But here we are with two very good players.  One is young, fast, and cheap - the other is older, more expensive, and very popular.  I'm afraid In two years, Shaq will be a stud for another team, TD will be retired, and we will need to use a first rounder on an LB.

I think the Butler pick was playing the odds but with a different motivation.  DT is also critical for Ron.  In 2014, a 27 year-old-Suh had 8.5 sacks and 54 tackles.  He turned that into a new contract paying $6.1/$12.6/$19.1/$26.1/$28.1 over the following 5 years.  In 2015, a 26-year-old Short had 11.5 sacks and 55 tackles.  I think Gettleman saw those $26.1 and $28.1 million cap hits that Suh got and knew he had a big problem. Could we pay a DT more than Cam?   Could we tie up that much money in one player?  Short's numbers fell slightly in 2016 (6 sacks, 55 tackles) and we got away with paying him a huge but manageable salary topping out at 18.5m in 2021.  Had he had 10+ sacks again in 2016, he would demand a higher salary than Cam and one that could cripple the team for years.  Do you think Miami is happy?  Next year Miami can pay Suh $26.1 million or take a cap hit of $22 million.  Butler was only a luxury pick in hindsight, but critical at the time.

  

[imminent rogaine]

12 hours ago, Thanatos said:

I'd be more curious how his 5th round picks and up did. 6th and 7th rounders are nearly always practice squad players unless you're going FB or K.

off of the top of my head:

I know Bene was a 5th. That was a solid pick until the injury. Clearly, he wasn't right after that.

Klein, looking very solid in NO.

Mayo, looking more than capable here.

CAP was in there somewhere. While he has been underwhelming, he is all of a sudden looking like the heir apparent to Stewart after we cut him.  a backup after Hurn-dog empties the coffers on J-stews new 5 year deal.

His UDFAs have been solid too.

White Buffalo.

Philly panned out better than you could have hoped for.

Adarius Glanton was very solid and is now on the 53man in TB.

 

After looking some more up UDFA hits: Melvin White, Robert Lester, Norris, Cox, Duke, Byrd