Nice observation from Sunday's game

[ThPantherFan]

2 hours ago, UpstatePanther said:

One of the reasons I love the Panthers, at the risk of sounding political when I truly don’t mean to, is that come hell or high water they never fail to show utmost appreciation and respect for our military and our flag. I’m not sure any other team in the league publicly displays service members 3-4 times per game on the big screens. I’m not sure any team in the league get the crowd reaction that we do -> a standing ovation every single time. Granted, I’ve only been to one other NFL stadium so it’s hard to say for sure. But in ATL, they showed a group of service members once, but it seemed like a special occasion. I applauded with all the Falcons fans like our teams had just scored. Some things are bigger than football, ya know?

Get sh*t on. I don’t care if you’re trolling or serious. Either way your an asshole.

Wish I could pie both of your post.  I'm surprise electro's horse would have posted something like that.  He must have been trying to make a funny comment.  Who knows?

[AggieLean]

"Some things are bigger than football, ya know"

lol

[ThPantherFan]

1 hour ago, electro's horse said:

BTW these problems still exist with the VA. 

If you want to actually help and not just post on the internet, you should volunteer. We have a very good VA in asheville and I'm applying for a job there, but they still need people to come and just hang out. Talk to the troops. Sneak them booze. Whatever. 

https://www.volunteer.va.gov/directory/

That's the VA I use. 

[electro's horse]

37 minutes ago, UpstatePanther said:

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Short story, fug me? Nah fam. fug you and your radical leftist revisionism.

Lmao you just blew holes all through his “history” lesson with personal testimony. Thank you sir.

The U.S. Senate came to the same conclusion. 

I’m sorry if this challenges your preconceived notions. 

Instead of getting angry, you should educate yourself and grow as a person. 

[electro's horse]

16 minutes ago, ThPantherFan said:

That's the VA I use. 

Maybe i’ll See you there. 

Ill probably be in the putting tubes up dicks department. 

[ThPantherFan]

Ha!  I'd hate to have that job, but it has to be done.

One thing I don't want to see is side tracking ladypanther's thread.  She made a great thread and I agree with her 100%.  I'm sorry I can't agree with you but you have the right to your views.  I read Ken Burns book and he did a good job.  Unfortunately the ill feeling of many of the people, not all, towards the Vietnam veteran is true.  I hope you respect my opinion and will agree to disagree.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 hours ago, electro's horse said:

fug you

im not going to apologize because i've read a history book

Your "history book" is horribly mistaken.  

[PhillyB]

3 hours ago, xav8tor said:

If that's what you think, you're either too young to remember, have Alzheimer's, weren't paying attention, or were part of the problem. It happened...period, end of story, not fake news.

read jerry lembcke's "the spitting image"

it happened to an extent but the extent to which it happened is an overinflated part of the american mythos

[dldove77]

11 hours ago, electro's horse said:

You couldn’t even see the flyover. 

[AggieLean]

@UpstatePanther why did you poop my statement? I’m curious. lol I was just repeating what ole boy said earlier.

[UpstatePanther]

34 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

The U.S. Senate came to the same conclusion. 

I’m sorry if this challenges your preconceived notions. 

Instead of getting angry, you should educate yourself and grow as a person. 

You act like I care what any one of those snakes from either side of the aisle say. 

I spent all of my high school and college years actively studying American history, government, and politics, along with the cultures and languages of other nations as well. I don’t have preconceived notions, because they’ve been challenged vehemently since middle school. 

Lol this guy actually thinks we should believe the US government when it says that it’s soldiers weren’t spit on and called baby killers by radical leftists in the 60s. Of course they would say that. Imagine how bad that makes them look for not defending their soldiers.

[PhillyB]

3 hours ago, electro's horse said:

There's a myth that vietnam soldiers returning from war were spit on, were mistreated, were attacked by protesters, whatever. You've heard it. It's just simply not accurate, and it's a myth that needs to die. Even in the latest Ken Burns documentary, they have almost an entire episode of returning soldiers saying that it was mostly made up. 

Both Nixonland and Invisible Bridge go in to it, if you want good, accessible history books that cover it.

It boils down to this.

WW2 vets and to a lesser extent Korean War vets came home to a ridiculous economy and a poo load of pomp and circumstance. Less so for Korea, but they were still haled as heroes. By the time Nixon was elected the economy was beginning what would be about a 15 year contraction, and those good jobs weren't being created anymore. Bruce Springsteen's Born in the USA is about this, so if people say it's a patriotic song just kick them in the dick. So WW2 you come home, slide into a job doing whatever you want, buy a house and boom. After Vietnam...you get a check in the mail. 

The VA was not equipped to handle the aftermath. Due to the way Vietnam was fought, more people were surviving wounds that would kill them compared to ww2 and korea. Not only could they medically not handle the influx of injured soldiers, but the support systems for them to reintegrate them back into society didn't exist. PTSD existed in WW2 and Korea to be sure, but as these wounded vets flocked into the cities, it became impossible to ignore. People would see them everywhere. It presented the aftermath of war in a way that Americans specifically had never seen before.

Additionally, the war was incredibly unpopular, so the requisite hero worship (constant parades, pomp and circumstance etc) that accompanied previous wars just didn't happen. To returning troops, and those on the right who defended it for no other reason than it being a wedge issue, this was a huge slap in the face. To the people on the left, why would they throw parades? There's no shortage of leftist organizations that reached out to returning veterans to help them with job training, counseling, grief therapy, etc. It was an incredible outpouring of support that's never reported on. The right was pissed the cities didn't throw parades. DISRESPECT!

Most importantly, Nixon exacerbated the divide for political reasons. He would send counter protesters against vietnam protesters, get them riled up, and make sure people in full dress uniform were pushed to the front so he could get that picture. He would invite protesters to his rallies to kick them out. He used fake POWs to fug with peace talks and rile up his base. He wouldn't hold rallies with wounded soldiers because he didn't like optics. Just horrific stuff.

Most importantly, he created the narrative that protesters hated troops, and not the war. which of course is still being used by the right today.

Following that, a guy (whos name is escaping me) invented what would eventually be the right wing mailer industry. Dude fuging walked in to the FEC and copied down the name of everyone that had ever donated to the republican party. Then he would mail them "these liberals are protesting our troops. Donate 2 dollars to whatever." This guy ended up raising billions throughout the years, he's a really fascinating story. 

Some of his most pernicious myths still exist in the cultural conscious today. Like, I'm sure you've heard the myth of troops being spit on in the airport? My mother, for example, firmly believes it happened. So where's the picture of it? How was every photojournalist in the world not sitting at the gate waiting to get that picture? How was it now on the cover of time?

Simple; it didn't happen. 

It's a very bizarre example of cultural amnesia. It became such a political issue that people who started identifying themselves as conservative during this period, and would eventually vote for Reagan, clung to it as something they could use to bash the left. "Of course the left did this, I remember it!" 

But there's no evidence it happened. 

Also the boomers all have lead poisoning but whatever.

In closing, the myth arises from

A.) Political residue from the Nixon administration and the burgeoning right wing grift industry

B.) Structural inefficiencies for returning troops

C.) Cultural apathy that didn't exist following ww2, as well as economic contraction

D.) it being a useful myth for right wingers

i've spent the past half decade doing a master's thesis on national memory and representation of the war in vietnam and this post is spot on.

i never ever bring up the spitting as mythology in conversation with people irl precisely because it's a mythology. it's sacred. if someone says "yeah and those guys came home and got spit on by protestors" and you say "well actually..." you may as well be punting a baby in front of them. you hate america and have no balls unlike a Troop

for evidence of this simply view the poop stacked on fiz's post from people who could barely locate vietnam on a map let alone write more than three sentences about the conflict.

[cookinwithgas]

Doesn't anyone find it odd that the people most likely to still be upset for the way people treated Vietnam vets 40 years ago are typically the people that voted to put in a Vietnam draft dodger as President?

On topic, the military pays a lot of teams marketing funds to get into this relationship, as the NFL is a good recruiting tool. The Panthers IIRC are not really on that train which is nice but make no mistake, like breast cancer and all that stuff, its PR and a way to make the team "part of the community". Nothing wrong with that, just understand that it's a business partnership that benefits both entities.

As a vet, I do get kind of tired of the constant pedestal people feel the need to put service people on in order to assuage their own guilt at not joining, or voting for people determined to send them into the poo for no good reason. You want to take care of our service people, maybe not sending them to die in a desert for nothing beneficial to the country would be a better way to go than saying thank you all the time.

One positive of all this is that some military people get to go to the games for free which is nice. Didn't have anything like that when I was in, would have been cool to hit a Chargers game when i was in San Diego.

[dldove77]

1 minute ago, PhillyB said:

i've spent the past half decade doing a master's thesis on national memory and representation of the war in vietnam and this post is spot on.

"A lot of people work on a thesis for five years!"