Ron Rivera "Honorable Mention Coach of the Year"

[Marguide]

I have to admit that I've never been sold on RR, no matter our record. He's a decent coach that belongs in the league, but he's far from the top tier in the league.

What I don't get is how a great defensive mind can be so oblivious when it comes to offense. It seems you couldn't really be great as a d coach unless you fully understood offenses.

I think his main fault is his overly conservative approach to the game/roster.

That said, I love it when he proves me wrong.

[weyco2000]

9 hours ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    Was anything I said wrong? 

 

    So...because I stated facts that back Rivera. I am not only a lackey, but delusional? 

 

    Has it gotten to the point where facts are now inadmissible?

Huddle rules, facts are only admissible if they support their argument. 

[Davidson Deac II]

2 hours ago, jfra78 said:

Right.  Its what they perceived this team to be in the off-season versus what the teams record is.  The problem is they are way off with how talented this team is

Most analyst acknowledge we are very talented on defense, especially the front 7.  But I don't think many feel that our offense is very talented outside of Cam and Olsen.  And I am not sure they are wrong.  

[Ace_Aladdin]

13 hours ago, rayzor said:

true. if this were the case, he'd have a larger winning record and much less close games.

 

 

[EgoDogg]

On 11/7/2017 at 2:13 PM, iamhubby1 said:

    I may be wrong. Imagine that. But is it not true that every coach makes mistakes?

 

    And if every coach makes mistakes. Why is Rivera held to a higher standard?

 

    I guess Panther fans demand perfection. It is the only explanation I can see. 

 

    How about looking at from this perspective. After the first two years, Rivera has only missed the playoffs once. He took over a team that had won one game, and within two years has built a perennial playoff team.

 

    I don't see the big deal.

 

    

You would never see Belichick make mistakes with playcalls or time management...

Link to video since NFL doesn't allow embedding

/sarcasm

[iamhubby1]

26 minutes ago, EgoDogg said:

You would never see Belichick make mistakes with playcalls or time management...

/sarcasm

 

    Video did not load. NFL content and all that jazz. But I get what you are saying. Folks seem to over state Rivera's mistakes, and under score any mistakes other coaches make. Ah football fans. Ya gotta love em'.

 

[EgoDogg]

59 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    Video did not load. NFL content and all that jazz. But I get what you are saying. Folks seem to over state Rivera's mistakes, and under score any mistakes other coaches make. Ah football fans. Ya gotta love em'.

 

Fixed the link in the original post. Thanks for the heads up.

And I completely agree. But I think it's normal for fanbases. Most message boards are the same. Coaches that are praised here will be ripped apart at their own message board. I don't get it. i do question some decisions Rivera makes, but I'm not sure there are many I would take over him. Bolded below are the only coaches I would put on par or above Rivera. There aren't many.

Ron Rivera
Mike McCarthy - Possibly the first coach I would consider over Rivera on this list
Andy Reid - Another underrated coach, also with clock management issues. Gets the most out of his team.
Pete Carroll - Great coach, I can't stand the guy, but I can't deny he's a good coach.
Bill Belichick - GOAT -- but fug him.

Bruce Arians - Always applauded. I really liked him. Not sure if I would take him over Rivera though 
Dan Quinn - Too early, super bowl hangover, but I like Rivera over Quinn.
John Harbaugh - Not a fan of the playstyle he encourages
Sean McDermott - Too early to tell, off to a hell of a start
John Fox - HA
Marvin Lewis - HAA
Hue Jackson - Browns
Jason Garrett - .561 overall record with the talent he's had & only 2 playoff berths in 7 years.
Vance Joseph - Too early
Jim Caldwell - Underrated in my opinion, I'd take Rivera over him easily, though.
Bill O'Brien - Nope
Chuck Pagano - HA
Doug Marrone - Respect what he's doing with the Jags. Too early to tell
Anthony Lynn - Too new
Adam Gase - Nope
Mike Zimmer - Good, but over Rivera?
Sean McVay - Way too early to say, but color me impressed
Sean Payton - fug Him
Ben McAdoo - HAAA
Todd Bowles - Nope
Jack Del Rio - I like him, but wouldn't take him over Rivera.
Doug Pederson - Off to a hell of year 2. Too early
Mike Tomlin - Living in PA, I get to hear about the hatred for Tomlin DAILY. So nope.
Kyle Shanahan - HA
Dirk Koetter - HA
Mike Mularkey - Nope
Jay Gruden - Nope

[iamhubby1]

30 minutes ago, EgoDogg said:

Fixed the link in the original post. Thanks for the heads up.

And I completely agree. But I think it's normal for fanbases. Most message boards are the same. Coaches that are praised here will be ripped apart at their own message board. I don't get it. i do question some decisions Rivera makes, but I'm not sure there are many I would take over him. Bolded below are the only coaches I would put on par or above Rivera. There aren't many.

Ron Rivera
Mike McCarthy - Possibly the first coach I would consider over Rivera on this list
Andy Reid - Another underrated coach, also with clock management issues. Gets the most out of his team.
Pete Carroll - Great coach, I can't stand the guy, but I can't deny he's a good coach.
Bill Belichick - GOAT -- but fug him.

Bruce Arians - Always applauded. I really liked him. Not sure if I would take him over Rivera though 
Dan Quinn - Too early, super bowl hangover, but I like Rivera over Quinn.
John Harbaugh - Not a fan of the playstyle he encourages
Sean McDermott - Too early to tell, off to a hell of a start
John Fox - HA
Marvin Lewis - HAA
Hue Jackson - Browns
Jason Garrett - .561 overall record with the talent he's had & only 2 playoff berths in 7 years.
Vance Joseph - Too early
Jim Caldwell - Underrated in my opinion, I'd take Rivera over him easily, though.
Bill O'Brien - Nope
Chuck Pagano - HA
Doug Marrone - Respect what he's doing with the Jags. Too early to tell
Anthony Lynn - Too new
Adam Gase - Nope
Mike Zimmer - Good, but over Rivera?
Sean McVay - Way too early to say, but color me impressed
Sean Payton - fug Him
Ben McAdoo - HAAA
Todd Bowles - Nope
Jack Del Rio - I like him, but wouldn't take him over Rivera.
Doug Pederson - Off to a hell of year 2. Too early
Mike Tomlin - Living in PA, I get to hear about the hatred for Tomlin DAILY. So nope.
Kyle Shanahan - HA
Dirk Koetter - HA
Mike Mularkey - Nope
Jay Gruden - Nope

 

    You know what is going to happen don't you? Folks are going to say that some of those HCs are just in bad situations, that you can't discount some of the college coaches. That Rivera hasn't learned. All sorts of excuses why your list is poo.

 

    To me, you make a great point. This team has the fewest penalties in the league. We are near the top in 3rd down efficiency. We lead the league in TOP. Then there is the Defense. 

 

    There are a plethora of good things going on up in here. But because the Offense is not a juggernaut. Folks seem to be leery about jumping on the wagon.

 

    I am almost sure that even with a deep playoff run, a lot of fans will somehow see this season as a failure.

 

   

[EgoDogg]

31 minutes ago, iamhubby1 said:

 

    You know what is going to happen don't you? Folks are going to say that some of those HCs are just in bad situations, that you can't discount some of the college coaches. That Rivera hasn't learned. All sorts of excuses why your list is poo.

 

    To me, you make a great point. This team has the fewest penalties in the league. We are near the top in 3rd down efficiency. We lead the league in TOP. Then there is the Defense. 

 

    There are a plethora of good things going on up in here. But because the Offense is not a juggernaut. Folks seem to be leery about jumping on the wagon.

 

    I am almost sure that even with a deep playoff run, a lot of fans will somehow see this season as a failure.

 

   

I completely expect the 'poo pie' to build up on that post. But that's alright. My 3 biggest issues with Rivera are his loyalty to a certain Offensive Coordinator, how conservative he can be (overly aggressive isn't good, either), and his clock management at the end of halves. Winning the NFC South 3 of the last 4 years and having the players disciplined and giving it their all after 7 years as head coach, and again having us in the thick of it in a tough NFC should make people step back and think before calling for his head. Remember, most head coaches do not succeed. 

I'm not saying he's a perfect coach, but there's a reason the Bengals are keeping Marvin Lewis, who in 14 years, hasn't even won a playoff game. It's not easy to find winning coaches.

After seeing so many bad / mediocre seasons, I am happy feeling we actually can compete with anyone, much of that due to coaching.

[Mr. Scot]

21 minutes ago, EgoDogg said:

.After seeing so many bad / mediocre seasons, I am happy feeling we actually can compete with anyone, much of that due to coaching.

Even with Hurney in charge? 

[EgoDogg]

7 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Even with Hurney in charge? 

I do think we can win in-spite of Hurney. I'm not going to defend Hurney the same way I do Rivera. I hope he learned from his mistakes last go-round, but that's to be determined (I'll be shocked if he's not the Full Time GM). But I will say I'd rather have Rivera coaching under Hurney over many others...

[iamhubby1]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

Even with Hurney in charge? 

 

    Yes. Until the carnage starts, if it starts at all. I see no reason to go with the sky is falling trope.

 

    Maybe Rivera after 7 years is strong enough, and confident enough to keep Hurndog under control. RR may not have a say in contracts, but he should have a say on who he wants/doesn't want. Players wise.

 

    Maybe this time Hurndog and RR will make a better team. 

 

    

[Mr. Scot]

Sorry guys. I can't join in this optimism.

I've heard a few people say maybe Hurney learned from his mistakes, but I'm pretty sure he didn't spend his off time gaining experience as a scout.

He's still the same guy he was. A guy that only Jerry Richardson, whose code values loyalty and good feelings over actual competence,  would hire for any front office job, much less GM. 

[fitty76]

It's either Doug Peterson or Sean McVay.