We are number 1 in time of possession, it’s good and bad

[sharkkiller]

5 hours ago, trucpfan said:

Not good Great news this is a winning stat we've stumbled offensively on a couple crazy things picks and fumbles that are asinine and as much as we've struggled to consistently run the ball we still control games if the change is in the cards to get CMC a few more running touches and not up the dam middle and from his Presser getting Cap a few more touches rushing we might actually start to show what we can be. A multi attacking ground control offense Stew may need to step back a game or some time in a game to refocus I thought it was terrible Run blocking which we do see but insert Cap he gets positive yards Run CMC anywhere but up the middle he gets positive yards with these terrible blockers maybe we should try to change the the one piece that we haven't changed the main runner. 

I find it amazing that this is only two sentences.

[Chairman Wow]

5 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

If you're going to try to insult my intelligence don't misspell Einstein. The little red squiggly line isn't congratulatory.

Time of possession should be the byproduct of a good offense, not the end goal. The Panthers obviously prioritize it, and they're a bottom third offense. Do you think the LA Rams care about their TOP when they're the top scoring team in the league? Absolutely not. 

Being able to convert on third down is the sign of a good offense, no poo. Playing to get to third down and converting (like Shula and the Panthers do) is completely nonsensical. If you can avoid third down, fuging do it. Do you think Belichick, or Reid, or hell apparently Sean McVay are worried about keeping their offenses in third and manageable? 

You've read some very obvious things and are trying to shoehorn their significance into a team where they have none. The Panthers are running a completely outdated model of offense. Just because they excel in one or two metrics that aren't PPG, doesn't mean those metrics are individually determinant. 

As far as Atlanta and Alabama, probably better for Atlanta to not have thrown the ball in the fourth quarter. And Alabama probably shouldn't have fired their offensive coordinator the week before and replaced him with an alcoholic. 

Do you actually believe Shula and Rivera are on the sidelines PLOTTING to avoid first downs? That is what the second sentence of your third paragraph strongly suggests.

As far as the rest of paragraph 3:

Yes, I agree 3rd down conversion percentage is the product of good execution, ergo, good coaching.

Poorly coached teams don't only fail in long yardage situations.

Poorly coached teams also fail  in short yardage situations precisely because they are poorly coached. 

The Carolina Panthers have consistently been a good third down team during the Shula / Rivera era. 

Do I think the top coaches in the league are concerned about keeping third down manageable? :HELL YES.

 

The real story of all this, though, is the fact that, except for CmC and an occasional flash from Newton, this team has played poorly offensively and yet still sits at 6-3.

 

 

[electro's horse]

9 minutes ago, Chairman Wow said:

Do you actually believe Shula and Rivera are on the sidelines PLOTTING to avoid first downs? That is what the second sentence of your third paragraph strongly suggests.

Well then learn to read. The Panthers offense is trying to get to third down and convert it. That's the number one goal, because they're obsessed with this TOP metric above all else because that's how you won football games in the 1970s and 80s. But it doesn't work like that anymore because of how the rules have shifted within the NFL. 

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The Carolina Panthers have consistently been a good third down team during the Shula / Rivera era.[/quote]

So what? They've had a good offense exactly....1 ish times during that time frame. Maybe TOP isn't a good metric to use in this case?!?!?!?!

 

Do I think the top coaches in the league are concerned about keeping third down manageable? :HELL YES.

I think it goes without saying that coaches do not want to be third and long situations. Congratulations, you are very good at stating the obvious.

I also don't think good coaches go into first down trying to make third down easier. They do it with the intention of running the best play possible. 

Do you think the Panthers try to run the best possible play on first down? 

 

The real story of all this, though, is the fact that, except for CmC and an occasional flash from Newton, this team has played poorly offensively and yet still sits at 6-3.

It's far more likely CMC contributes to the struggles of the offense through play design than helps it. But CMC has become religious at this point and your ilk have proven time and time again you'll move the goalposts as far as you have to for him. 

[electro's horse]

oh my god this website is unusable

[Chairman Wow]

2 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

Well then learn to read. The Panthers offense is trying to get to third down and convert it. That's the number one goal, because they're obsessed with this TOP metric above all else because that's how you won football games in the 1970s and 80s. But it doesn't work like that anymore because of how the rules have shifted within the NFL. 

 

 

I will let this response speak for itself. 

Jesus, You have been shown the numbers, shown the correlation, yet refuse to acknowledge it... you must be a millennial !!!

[electro's horse]

You use the word correlation like someone who doesn't know the difference between it and causation. 

[Chairman Wow]

2 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

You use the word correlation like someone who doesn't know the difference between it and causation. 

No, I used the term correlation in exactly the sense I intended to use the term correlation.

Were 3rd down percentage causation of a superior record, the Broncos could not possibly sit at 3-5.

But the correlation between excellent 3rd down percentage and superior NFL run /loss record is undeniable. 

 

[electro's horse]

okay who fuging cares about correlation. 

panthers have had one good offense under the current regime focusing on this, and have never had consistent success from a W/L perspective

also W/L is a really dumb metric to use in this case due to sample size and the average margin victory in the nfl being like 3 points. 

[NAS]

No "chunk" plays

[iamhubby1]

4 hours ago, Snake said:

Yeah hopefully when Olsen gets back we improve that. If only Rivera would keep on the Gas in the 4th we would make a 10 point deficit insurmountable. 

 

    Two very good points.