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Curtis Samuel, You Have to Sell Your Hold


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32 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

He played more WR than he ever played RB. Being honest he was my highest rated route runner from the draft.

Every scout i saw and read talk how raw he was and going to be big project.  Think I saw some say he showed flashes being fluid and crisp running.  But he really didnt see a full route tree, and was lined up in the backfield as much as he was out wide.  He was a H-back in Myers system the same role Harvin had at florida. Remember at the draft every analyst you saw said he was practally the same player as CMC because how he was used at ohio state.

Huge potential and abilty but has some learning to do.

 

Had he been a good route runner, with the athletic he has and showed at the combine.  He wouldve been a sure fire top 15 pick 

But he was projected around a mid 2nd for these very reason.

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22 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Every scout i saw and read talk how raw he was and going to be big project.  Think I saw some say he showed flashes being fluid and crisp running.  But he really didnt see a full route tree, and was lined up in the backfield as much as he was out wide. 

I basically had to deal with this argument over the offseason. He had far more snaps at WR than he did RB:

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To clear up this fake news, understand Curtis Samuel is a WR who can play RB - not the other way around. Per Pro Football Focus, Samuel had 220 snaps from the backfield, much less than his 425 snaps from the slot. He's more experienced as a wide-receiver than as runningback.

Here's my own scout of Curtis Samuel. I'll provide a sample as well:

One interesting fact about Curtis Samuel is how fluid his route-running is. Although he only became a full-time starter his junior year, Samuel's routes look clean and refined. 

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On the play above, Curtis Samuel initiates a simple route by adding a jab step with a head fake to it down the middle without losing any speed or momentum. A fluid and quick route that some refined NFL route-runners may have trouble accomplishing.

Some wide-receivers tend to "dance" or "jiggle" in front of a defender before initiating a move, slowing down their momentum and making them more prone to being caught up by a defender. When Curtis Samuel runs his routes, he tends to use one or two simple cuts without losing a step.

That gives him an advantage, as the defender will likely be slower to react to such a move-set. Not many wide-receivers can do this.

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3 hours ago, Mr. Scot said:

That hold on Sheppard yesterday was one of the most blatant things I've ever seen. 

Yeah they allowed the Falcons to hold all day. Quite frankly the poor play of the refs kept them in the game and made it closer than it was. Like allowing ATL to hold up our players while punching at the ball. I've not seen a crew do that all year. Mostly they blow the whistle when forward progress stops. 

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28 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

I basically had to deal with this argument over the offseason. He had far more snaps at WR than he did RB:

Here's my own scout of Curtis Samuel. I'll provide a sample as well:

One interesting fact about Curtis Samuel is how fluid his route-running is. Although he only became a full-time starter his junior year, Samuel's routes look clean and refined. 

samuel22.gif.dc790c72b51114b2beb8a76ceb2ecae2.gif

On the play above, Curtis Samuel initiates a simple route by adding a jab step with a head fake to it down the middle without losing any speed or momentum. A fluid and quick route that some refined NFL route-runners may have trouble accomplishing.

Some wide-receivers tend to "dance" or "jiggle" in front of a defender before initiating a move, slowing down their momentum and making them more prone to being caught up by a defender. When Curtis Samuel runs his routes, he tends to use one or two simple cuts without losing a step.

That gives him an advantage, as the defender will likely be slower to react to such a move-set. Not many wide-receivers can do this.

He did line out wide some and I guess the just as many was a bit of a exaggeration.  But lining in the backfield once per ever 2 wide ia still a Lot.

Yes he runs fluidly running and to some that just comes naturally.  But he was a hybrid and wasnt a full time WR like everyone else.  He wasnt required to know a full route tree with his role.  Im curious with those #s you brought out, how many of those WR snaps were in the slot vs out wide.  

Again there is a reason he was projected a mid 2nd.  There are guys athletic as him that go mid 1st every year (Fuller, Coleman etc) in stronger deeper WR classes yet he wasnt because how raw he was

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10 minutes ago, ncfan said:

Yes he runs fluidly running and to some that just comes naturally.  But he was a hybrid and wasnt a full time WR like everyone else.  He wasnt required to know a full route tree with his role.  Im curious with those #s you brought out, how many of those WR snaps were in the slot vs out wide.  

Well, as of now, I really could care less what he did in college.

So far in the NFL, he's been our best route runner on the field so far. Fantastic blocker, has the speed and twitch to make multiple defenders miss in space, and looks poised to be a fantastic deep threat. 

Really excited to see how the Panthers start using him going forward.

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