falcons analyst pretty much destroys any shred of credibility towards the idea this offense is complex and evolving.

[Ace_Aladdin]

2 minutes ago, Saca312 said:

@MasterAwesome yeah i pretty much have no time on my hands so ive been reposting other analysts sights and sounds from their own observations.

and it isnt just two gifs if u look thru the original twitter thread. Its giving evidence to the fact we use cmc in a very predictable way

Dude it’s not about being predictable it’s about having other weapons that demands respect from defender all the time like Greg Olsen who demands double team or his ability to pull a safety or LB from line of scrimmage.

 

Ill remind you in GIF format once Olsen is back on the field 

[uncfan888]

So many fake fans in this thread... You're not allowed to question anything this coaching staff does

[CRA]

1 minute ago, hepcat said:

There's a lot of truth to this. But at what point does Shula realize that what he is doing IS NOT WORKING, whether it is a lack of talent, execution, playcalling, whatever, and do something different? Like is he straight up out of ideas?

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. And that is exactly what Mike Shula does every game. I don't know how many times he can call a draw play up the middle for no gain and expect something to change.

now there is definitely something to be said about putting dudes in position to succeed. 

but at this point, it is fairly obvious IMO that we employ a collective group that just isn't good at run blocking.   From a talent aspect, good run blocking lines just flat out win there predictable matchup.  Our guys get destroyed.  

You can't scheme around basics sometimes.    

I think we should simply run the ball less.   THAT IMO is the fix.  Follow the lead of NE and teams when they haven't been able to run traditionally in the past.  Keep developing the short pass as the run game.  Give CMC more short balls people complain about.   It works.   We are wasting too many downs getting stonewalled. 

[Moorgan]

2 minutes ago, CRA said:

now there is definitely something to be said about putting dudes in position to succeed. 

but at this point, it is fairly obvious IMO that we employ a collective group that just isn't good at run blocking.   From a talent aspect, good run blocking lines just flat out win there predictable matchup.  Our guys get destroyed.  

You can't scheme around basics sometimes.    

I think we should simply run the ball less.   THAT IMO is the fix.  Follow the lead of NE and teams when they haven't been able to run traditionally in the past.  Keep developing the short pass as the run game.  Give CMC more short balls people complain about.   It works.   We are wasting too many downs getting stonewalled. 

But we're a power run team who will line up and dictate the game to the opponent...even when it doesn't work.

[CRA]

1 minute ago, Moorgan said:

But we're a power run team who will line up and dictate the game to the opponent...even when it doesn't work.

we haven't been able to run block for a traditional run game for years now....always have to ask Cam to give it life when we try to be traditional and fail

[hepcat]

1 minute ago, CRA said:

now there is definitely something to be said about putting dudes in position to succeed. 

but at this point, it is fairly obvious IMO that we employ a collective group that just isn't good at run blocking.   From a talent aspect, good run blocking lines just flat out win there predictable matchup.  Our guys get destroyed.  

You can't scheme around basics sometimes.    

I think we should simply run the ball less.   THAT IMO is the fix.  Follow the lead of NE and teams when they haven't been able to run traditionally in the past.  Keep developing the short pass as the run game.  Give CMC more short balls people complain about.   It works.   We are wasting too many downs getting stonewalled. 

I'm alluding to something like that. I mean you can't abandon the run entirely, but you can gameplan around not having a good running game. Another thing I think is hurting the running game is a lack of a deep threat. I think the Panthers offense as a whole would be more effective if they'd kept Ted Ginn or gotten another deep burner. Even if they don't catch the ball or even get thrown the ball very often, the mere threat is enough to make safeties back off and could open things up a little more. Maybe they're aiming to try Kaelin Clay out in that role. Either way something has to change. The reason so many fans are frustrated is because it's obvious that Shula isn't changing anything.

[UpstatePanther]

1 hour ago, Chairman Wow said:

Curious stat: while Carolina ranks 21st in total offense on the season, they rank 6th in total first downs and 4th in 3rd down efficiency.

This suggests, good, rather than poor play calling.

The 3rd down efficiency stat is especially compelling.

It is very strongly linked to win percentage.

 

 

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you, but we have lost games this year directly because our offense couldn’t score points. We nearly lost two other games because our offense couldn’t score points. This was the story last year and every other year except 2015 since Chudzinski left. 

 

At some point, people have to face the facts that our scheme doesn’t allow for high scoring offense. It’s not supposed to. This is the type of football Rivera wants to play, and one must presume Jerry is on board too or changes would have been made already. 

 

Whether its its due to some twisted view of professional respect (not wanting to run up the score) or some other reason, this staff does not want to score a lot of points. They never want to fully lay their foot on the gas pedal and not let up until the game ends. They are content with the way things are. And it’s a crying shame. 

 

Sure, games might be 34-17 every week instead of 17-3 because our defense is more tired, but most fans would make that sacrifice I think.

[CRA]

3 minutes ago, hepcat said:

I'm alluding to something like that. I mean you can't abandon the run entirely, but you can gameplan around not having a good running game. Another thing I think is hurting the running game is a lack of a deep threat. I think the Panthers offense as a whole would be more effective if they'd kept Ted Ginn or gotten another deep burner. Even if they don't catch the ball or even get thrown the ball very often, the mere threat is enough to make safeties back off and could open things up a little more. Maybe they're aiming to try Kaelin Clay out in that role. Either way something has to change. The reason so many fans are frustrated is because it's obvious that Shula isn't changing anything.

yeah, I have made tons of post about the deep threat issue.  Our lack of it dictates the defensive schemes and aggressiveness opponents can have vs our run and intermediate pass game.  I mean this really is 2014 on repeat (the last time we let Ginn walk).  Ginn isn't great but was good enough to impact an opponents scheme vs us.      

[OldNorthPowell]

2 hours ago, sanjay_rajput said:

And when we beat the Falcons with the same scheme don’t come back to the huddle fake fans 

If we beat Atlanta it will more than likely be the defense once again, not the offense. We are all just peasants living in your world though. Tell us more master. Please. :+)

[Chairman Wow]

6 minutes ago, Moorgan said:

But we're a power run team who will line up and dictate the game to the opponent...even when it doesn't work.

But we are also 5-3, despite the early hiccups. And we have a very, very good defense.

I sense a realization the traditional power run game is not going to work this season.

Newton really, really needs to play with more discipline. 

[theDIRTYcode2]

I don't think any of our analysts should be talking about another team's offense being bland. We have the best WR in the league and he's got 1 fugging TD through 7 games. We officially feel the 'Shula' pain. 

[cookinbrak]

If we targeted CMC every time he line up wide, we would have beaten Chicago.

[Jon Snow]

7 minutes ago, theDIRTYcode2 said:

I don't think any of our analysts should be talking about another team's offense being bland. We have the best WR in the league and he's got 1 fugging TD through 7 games. We officially feel the 'Shula' pain. 

You have to be on a whole new level of suckage to top the Shula suck.

[RealisticPanther]

2 hours ago, Chairman Wow said:

How many times have you heard members of this forum complaining about how Shula is always "run-run-pass" ???

In actuality, Mike Shula is one of the least predictable play callers in terms of run/ pass in the entire NFL. 

It is a slightly different topic, but just goes to show how the average fan is always looking for the easy guy to blame. 

When this team struggles, it's always Shula and Rivera's fault.

Rivera has won NFL coach of the year twice (!!!), but according to a large percentage of Huddler's he is a complete moron with whom the team can never hope to win. 

The average fan? Steve Smith and Moose have both called out Shula for his predictable/bad play calling. You would consider them average fans and your opinion better than theirs?