Air Coryell

[Eazy-E]

For those who are complaining about the continued forcing of the deep ball may need to research the offense we run. This will also dive into how our “offensive evolution” is bullshit.

Power running and the deep ball are the foundation of the Air Coryell. On passing plays the deep man is usually the first read while guys underneath tend to be the 3rd or 4th if there is even an underneath/checkdown option. The focus on deep passes forced the defense to have to cover the entire field allowing the power running game to thrive.

This used to work when we had Tedd Ginn because he was able to stretch the field and beat safeties deep and pull defenders off the LOS. It also help guys like Olsen expose the middle of the field. We all saw the difference in this offense the first time we let Ginn walk and the difference he made when he came back. He was a major reason we were able to compensate for the loss of KB in 2015. 

Now in 2017 Shula is basically trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. I can only think Samuel was drafted with idea he could replicate Ginn in the offense and so far that has failed to happen. The main offensive philosophy has  not changed and the offensive evolution looks like it was just fluff. The reason so many plays to CMC looked forced is because it literally doesn’t fit into what Shula is doing on offense. The plays tend to look out of place and it allows defenses to hone into what we are doing on offense. Our WR core is possession receivers who have trouble beating anyone over the top which dramatically hampers the style offense we run. It is also killing our running game.

If the Panthers really wanted to evolve on offense they should have let Shula go and brought someone in who can work with our personnel, or forced Shula to adapt and make changes to his game plans. Obviously neither of those things happened and what we are now whitnessing is the abomination that is the 2017 Panthers offense.

[Mr. Scot]

It is possible to run a Coryell attack effectively.

We're not really doing it right now.

[Jangler]

I'll ask again....

who will play Jerry Rice?

will one receiver step up?

 

or will Cam continue to bomb it down the field? and it won't matter...

[rayzor]

2 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It is possible to run a Coryell attack effectively.

We're not really doing it right now.

shula/rivera apologists will say the problem is that our players can't do what the coaches want correctly.

i'm not going to argue that point.

my argument is and has been, if players can't do what you want them to....why keep trying to do it?

why not alter what you want to do around what your players can do and what you have found in 7 games works well?

why not take the things out of your playbook that don't have a track record of success?

work with what you've got. work with what the defense gives you.

 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, rayzor said:

shula/rivera apologists will say the problem is that our players can't do what the coaches want correctly.

i'm not going to argue that point.

my argument is and has been, if players can't do what you want them to....why keep trying to do it?

why not alter what you want to do around what your players can do and what you have found in 7 games works well?

why not take the things out of your playbook that don't have a track record of success?

work with what you've got. work with what the defense gives you.

Rivera said when he first got here that he planned to "dictate the game".  He wanted us to be one of those teams where you know what we're going to do but you just can't stop it.

There are definitely teams (great teams) who can do these things.  We're not one of them.

So if you go that route, but you're not good enough, you're stuck with a team whose next move everyone can predict, and thus they can also stop it.

[JARROD]

WE are throwing deep to Funchess, a certified loser.

thats not going to back anyone up.

put Samuel out there with Benjamin and get Olsen back, then sling it. 

Trade for TY,.. he'll get CMC going deep.

but Funchess? 

[rayzor]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

Rivera said when he first got here that he planned to "dictate the game".  He wanted us to be one of those teams where you know what we're going to do but you just can't stop it.

There are definitely teams (great teams) who can do these things.  We're not one of them.

So if you go that route, but you're not good enough, you're stuck with a team whose next move everyone can predict, and thus they can also stop it.

yeah, i remember that and i got pretty excited.

it's a great idea, but only if you've got the right combination of players and scheme. we don't.

 

 

[JawnyBlaze]

Yea we keep throwing deep to Funchess and he’s not physical or fast enough for that role. Samuel should be in that role but he hasn’t shown the ability to catch a deep ball yet, on the 2 or 3 we’ve thrown to him. That’s one of our offenses biggest on-field problems (that and the o-line). 

[CPF4LIFE]

Trying to run a air coryell offense with no deep threat receivers......jesus only  this team.

[Snake]

49 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

It is possible to run a Coryell attack effectively.

We're not really doing it right now.

Has Shula every really ran a true Coryell? I think Cam was better under the hybrid EP. We also have more of a EP WR core now. 

[Mr. Scot]

14 minutes ago, Snake said:

Has Shula every really ran a true Coryell? I think Cam was better under the hybrid EP. We also have more of a EP WR core now. 

I'd rather we ran more of an E-P but the way things are going I don't have high expectations for this season no matter what we do. 

[Snake]

9 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

I'd rather we ran more of an E-P but the way things are going I don't have high expectations for this season no matter what we do. 

Both EP and Coryell's base is a strong rushing attack. While our personal and formations really mesh better with the Spread attack. It's why you see almost a conflict of interest on the field. How can you run a spread attack and be a run first team? How can you draft spread players like McCaffrey and Samuel and use them as if they were suited for the Coryell or EP? It's like Shula thought it would be brilliant to run out of the spread. 

[Mr. Scot]

Just now, Snake said:

Both EP and Coryell's base is a strong rushing attack. While our personal and formations really mesh better with the Spread attack. It's why you see almost a conflict of interest on the field. How can you run a spread attack and be a run first team? 

I've asked it before: Why would you take a quarterback like Newton and try to make him a game manager? 

I don't honestly know how much thought Rivera puts into our offensive system. Heck, when we were interviewing OCs we looked at a West Coast guy. I remember wondering "Does Rivera think this stuff doesn't matter?"

[Snake]

Just now, Mr. Scot said:

I've asked it before: Why would you take a quarterback like Newton and try to make him a game manager? 

I don't honestly know how much thought Rivera puts into our offensive system. Heck, when we were interviewing OCs we looked at a West Coast guy. I remember wondering "Does Rivera think this stuff doesn't matter?"

I honestly think the best set up the Panthers could hope for under Rivera is a Kyle Shanahan situation. Let the OC control the offense and Rivera on defense.