Context - Why Daryl Williams Supposedly Looks "Good" While Matt Kalil Sucks

[GRWatcher]

Sorry @Saca312. Logic makes no sense on the Huddle. 

54 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

when has shula ever successfully schemed help for a struggling tackle?

Fairly often actually. Ask Chris Scott or any of our TE's.

[Snake]

Every team has Oline problems in the NFL. It's a league wide problem. Still they find a way to get it done. Poor coaches are the reason and result. 

[LinvilleGorge]

26 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

I haven't watched every play of every game like some of you. From what I've seen at times this year, it looks like Williams has trouble with guys coming off of the edge on pass plays. He doesn't seem to have the agility and quickness to play in space against the better DE's. Do any of you think he could possibly function better in the NFL as a guard?

 

Pretty much every non-elite OT struggles with speed off the edge. It's the biggest thing that separates the elite from the restoration of the pack. 

[thefuzz]

1 hour ago, LinvilleGorge said:

All three of the guys getting more help than Williams was a high 1st round pick. (6, 8, and 11 overall to be specific).

How have there been so many disappointing 1st round OTs in recent years? OL used to be considered the safest 1st round pick you could make. Now it seems one of the riskiest.

Also, how in the hell do the Titans have two of the top three OTs getting the most help? Is anyone actually running a route?

This is what the players wanted.  Less two a days, less padded practices, etc...and they got it with the new CBA.

The problem, that only benefits the defense, not the offense.

I think that we are just seeing football return to the "uglier" games of decades past.  The NFL changed the rules to produce more scoring, the sport boomed with that, and the advent of fantasy.  Now it's sliding back, with less and less practice time.

Also, the college game has shifted quite a bit as well....and that ain't helping.

[PhillyB]

29 minutes ago, GRWatcher said:

Sorry @Saca312. Logic makes no sense on the Huddle. 

Fairly often actually. Ask Chris Scott or any of our TE's.

good OCs can consistently scheme around subpar players. matt kalil's wildly inconsistent performance is a reflection of a poor coordinator.

[SCO96]

24 minutes ago, LinvilleGorge said:

Pretty much every non-elite OT struggles with speed off the edge. It's the biggest thing that separates the elite from the restoration of the pack. 

Since you put it that way (and I'm agreeing with your assessment BTW), who in the NFL today is actually considered to be "an elite" OT?

At one time it seemed that OT's drafted in the first round were a lock to be solid starters for a decade. In recent years even that has trained. We've seen more than a few highly drafted OT's fail to live up to their expectations.

[LinvilleGorge]

2 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

Since you put it that way (and I'm agreeing with your assessment BTW), who in the NFL today is actually considered to be "an elite" OT?

At one time it seemed that OT's drafted in the first round were a lock to be solid starters for a decade. In recent years even that has trained. We've seen more than a few highly drafted OT's fail to live up to their expectations.

OTs are busting left and right these days. Honestly, it seems like all the elite guys are nearing the end of their career. I'm not sure there are any young OTs other than Tyron Smith that I'd consider elite right now.

[CPF4LIFE]

What may end happening down the road is that norwell walks and trai takes his spot and Williams  kicks inside to guard and moton takes the RT spot. Or at least something similar to that will happen because i dont see the point in playing Williams with so much faith if he isnt a long term answer somewhere on the line. 

[GRWatcher]

9 minutes ago, PhillyB said:

good OCs can consistently scheme around subpar players. matt kalil's wildly inconsistent performance is a reflection of a poor coordinator.

Maybe we have too many subpar players on our o-line to scheme for all of them all of the time. A "wildly inconsistent performance", to me, indicates a personal performance problem that the player needs to correct. He knows what to do but he's not doing it. I think MKalil has been less inconsistent and playing better lately.

[SCO96]

Just now, CPF4LIFE said:

What may end happening down the road is that norwell walks and trai takes his spot and Williams  kicks inside to guard and moton takes the RT spot. Or at least something similar to that will happen because i dont see the point in playing Williams with so much faith if he isnt a long term answer somewhere on the line. 

I actually made the suggestion earlier this season. A couple of posters thought I was off base by suggesting we let Norwell walk after the season. I think he's replaceable. I definitely wouldn't break the bank for him.

You know as well as I do that in today's NFL you can't keep everybody. If Moton turns out to be the real deal at RT this scenario could work (of course we won't know unless the team actually lets him play this year). Then we'd only have to focus on the C and LT positions in the offseason.

Ryan is wearing down so we definitely need a replacement at Center. None of us are overwhelmed with the play of Matt so we need another LT on the roster. Bringing in a new one could improve the play, or light a fire under Matt and improve his performance.

[Inimicus]

45 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

This is what the players wanted.  Less two a days, less padded practices, etc...and they got it with the new CBA.

The problem, that only benefits the defense, not the offense.

I think that we are just seeing football return to the "uglier" games of decades past.  The NFL changed the rules to produce more scoring, the sport boomed with that, and the advent of fantasy.  Now it's sliding back, with less and less practice time.

Also, the college game has shifted quite a bit as well....and that ain't helping.

The new CBA is anathema to quality football.

 

How in the hell are they supposed to get better when the practices are so limited?

[SmokinwithWilly]

2 hours ago, LinvilleGorge said:

All three of the guys getting more help than Williams was a high 1st round pick. (6, 8, and 11 overall to be specific).

How have there been so many disappointing 1st round OTs in recent years? OL used to be considered the safest 1st round pick you could make. Now it seems one of the riskiest.

Also, how in the hell do the Titans have two of the top three OTs getting the most help? Is anyone actually running a route?

This may just be a shot in the dark but oline is not a sexy position to play anymore. Everyone wants to be a star QB running back wide receiver. There just aren't enough quality guys to go around anymore.

[thefuzz]

29 minutes ago, SCO96 said:

Since you put it that way (and I'm agreeing with your assessment BTW), who in the NFL today is actually considered to be "an elite" OT?

At one time it seemed that OT's drafted in the first round were a lock to be solid starters for a decade. In recent years even that has trained. We've seen more than a few highly drafted OT's fail to live up to their expectations.

That's gone...for now.

Who's elite that's still standing?  Tyron Smith and Trent Williams, off the top of my head.

Whit is playing well, but old as hell.  Jason Peters and Joe Thomas went down for the year Sunday.

There are probably some up and comers at T, but not like the old days.

[PanthersBigD]

I really want to see Taylor Moton getting some snaps at LT. It's hard to believe he could be worse than Kalil. Remmers did better than Kalil. I really wanted the Kalil experiment to work, but he just looks lost out there and outmatched in every facet of his game.