Stats - Cam and CMC

[xav8tor]

8 minutes ago, ncsfinest21 said:

The thing about CMC is I dont see the hype. He does provide Cam some underneath passes but he isnt getting rac. I dont see the shiftyness they were talking about. I dont see the big play potential he was suppose to bring. Granted its his rookie year. Also he is costing us valuable yard on special teams by not far catching the ball at the 40 and letting it bounce to the 15. He isnt playing up to his potential and is playing hesitant I guess due to his size.

You size queens need to check player stats. He's the same size or  bigger than Edleman, Amendola, and Cooks. Compared to Sproles, he's Frankenstein's monster.

[imminent rogaine]

17 minutes ago, xav8tor said:

Like I've said, CMC is Edelman 2.0. The problem is that Josh McD isn't the one calling plays.

Damn, I'd hate to have a great receiving weapon like that at our disposal or to emulate an offense that actually works. On second thought, I think New England is leaving some style points on the table by not running Edelman and White straight up the gut over and over and over again.

[xav8tor]

14 minutes ago, imminent rogaine said:

Damn, I'd hate to have a great receiving weapon like that at our disposal or to emulate an offense that actually works. On second thought, I think New England is leaving some style points on the table by not running Edelman and White straight up the gut over and over and over again.

Never seen Edleman run at all from behind the line. White, of course, does and catches too. Amendola returns. CMC is a combo platter. Cam isn't TB, but he CAN make the throws...if they are designed and called. I'm telling you, BB might not have taken him at 8, but if he could have acquired him when Edelman went down...Done Deal in a heartbeat. Through seven games, he'd probably have twice what he has.

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1 minute ago, HarambeLivesOn said:

i saw caf wide open on wheel routes last cpl games.

 

Doesnt help if QB doesnt throw it to him.

Yep. I went to the Saints game and seeing the entire field, that was my takeaway. Always open, not targeted nearly enough, and that was a biggish game for him.

[bleedsgreenandgold]

9 hours ago, ClawOn said:

Just some facts here. I don't think 1 speaks to Cam's talent, rather his evident misuse and other well documented problems. 2 speaks to the much discussed promise (or lack thereof to some) of our #8 pick:

1. In the past two seasons,  Cam's 5.32 yards per attempt is worse than Bortles (5.49).

2. McCaffrey is on pace to tie Anquan Boldin's record for most receptions by a rookie in NFL history (101).

Graham Barfield is pretty great, isn't he?

[The Righteous Troll]

1 hour ago, imminent rogaine said:

Why do you guys care if it is a run for 4 or 5 yards or a catch for 4 or 5 yards? If I am the coach I would call designed short passes to CMC every fuging play until the other team adjusts to stopping it.  We move the ball when we use CMC in the passing game. We grind to a hault when we don't -simple as that.

We don't wait for that adjustment to come though, we just stop doing it when it is working. When the other team adjusts, that should help free up a receiver or maybe even take a guy out of the box for stewart, depending on where CMC lines up.

I care because a 4 or 5 catch OUT OF THE BACKFIELD is different than a 4 or 5 yard catch lined up at WR. Sounds like you bacially want to turn a MVP QB into what Alex Smith was before they drafted a QB and forced him to take shots down the field (he went almost 600 days without throwing a TD to a WR)...the dink and dunk offense will not get you back to the Super Bowl.

[rabailey_2007]

10 hours ago, ClawOn said:

Just some facts here. I don't think 1 speaks to Cam's talent, rather his evident misuse and other well documented problems. 2 speaks to the much discussed promise (or lack thereof to some) of our #8 pick:

1. In the past two seasons,  Cam's 5.32 yards per attempt is worse than Bortles (5.49).

2. McCaffrey is on pace to tie Anquan Boldin's record for most receptions by a rookie in NFL history (101).

Cam has got to go. He is not what we thought.  

 

[imminent rogaine]

21 minutes ago, The Righteous Troll said:

I care because a 4 or 5 catch OUT OF THE BACKFIELD is different than a 4 or 5 yard catch lined up at WR. Sounds like you bacially want to turn a MVP QB into what Alex Smith was before they drafted a QB and forced him to take shots down the field (he went almost 600 days without throwing a TD to a WR)...the dink and dunk offense will not get you back to the Super Bowl.

no.... gaining 4 or 5 yards is gaining 4 or 5 yards. You don't deduct yards from where the player started. The Cheifs are in the playoffs every single year but I get your point of Alex Smith being nuetered a little but our previous offense of dropping Cam back and letting him get hammered while all of our WRs lumber 40 yards down field was not going to cut it. I would rather see a more balanced approach like that Pats used to win multiple super bowls. Repeated short passes, hit your elite TE repeatedly and a few well-timed deep shots.

[SetfreexX]

We'll begin to see CMC's true value once:

1)We establish a deep threat

2)Olsen returns

3)The OL provides time for point no. 1 to manifest

As it stands right now, offensively CMC is the biggest threat to key on, since KB is so slow teams are comfortable defending him one on one, that let's teams, spy, blitz, and double CMC anytime. Until we can force a lighter box his production will be limited. 

[ClawOn]

I think you guys are missing that Cam's YPA being lower than Bortles is as clear an indictment of Shula as anything I've seen. I don't think you have to be a homer to recognize that Cam is an elite talent,  while Bortles wouldn't make the 53 on most teams.  

[The Righteous Troll]

55 minutes ago, imminent rogaine said:

no.... gaining 4 or 5 yards is gaining 4 or 5 yards. You don't deduct yards from where the player started. The Cheifs are in the playoffs every single year but I get your point of Alex Smith being nuetered a little but our previous offense of dropping Cam back and letting him get hammered while all of our WRs lumber 40 yards down field was not going to cut it. I would rather see a more balanced approach like that Pats used to win multiple super bowls. Repeated short passes, hit your elite TE repeatedly and a few well-timed deep shots.

See that's the thing. Catching a ball behind the line of scrimmage your already in the red. Like the one handed.catch was nice or whatever but he went nowhere because he was really just getting back to.the LOS and only got one or two yards.....not 4 or 5 yards. Plus the box is already stacked because teams want to get at Cam so the pass could be batted or the WRs just don't fight for.the ball so the pass will be incomplete.

 

Cheifs are in the playoffs every year because they have been drafting solid players. Fun fact Gettleman took Vernon Butler or Chris.Jones

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1 hour ago, The Righteous Troll said:

...the dink and dunk offense will not get you back to the Super Bowl.

While you can't easily pigeonhole the Pats' offense as being one specific style (since it is CONSTANTLY "evolving,") it often looks pretty dinky and dunky, and to that extent, I think BB/McD/TB would disagree with that assertion.

[The Righteous Troll]

12 minutes ago, xav8tor said:

While you can't easily pigeonhole the Pats' offense as being one specific style (since it is CONSTANTLY "evolving,") it often looks pretty dinky and dunky, and to that extent, I think BB/McD/TB would disagree with that assertion.

I wasn't calling the Pat offense dink and dunk I was talking about Alex Smith's first few years in KC.

Pats offense isn't dinky or dunky at all....plus they can actaully run the football Blount had like 18 TDs last season...and they knew they needed a deep threat so they traded for Cooks.

[The Righteous Troll]

1 hour ago, ClawOn said:

I think you guys are missing that Cam's YPA being lower than Bortles is as clear an indictment of Shula as anything I've seen. I don't think you have to be a homer to recognize that Cam is an elite talent,  while Bortles wouldn't make the 53 on most teams.  

Chudzinski is probably going to come back next season