Do We need a winning season for Rivera to Keep his Job ?

[Carolina Cajun]

[Gamecockfan40]

3 minutes ago, Farachlombardi said:

Why should Rivera get fired? Give me a good reason sir !!!

He punts inside the 40.  Regularly

[JakeDel5674]

3 minutes ago, Farachlombardi said:

Why should Rivera get fired? Give me a good reason sir !!!

I'm just laughing at you, man.  No worries.  You make me laugh on this forum a lot.  

[uncfan888]

5 minutes ago, JakeDel5674 said:

the guy's an idiot.. he makes Saca look like a pessimist

[Chairman Wow]

There is no way Rivera gets fired this season, even if the Panthers finish 4-12.

And the Panthers are way too good defensively to finish 4-12. 

[rayzor]

14 minutes ago, Farachlombardi said:

Rivera is one of the best coaches , 2 time coach of the year that's like Arizona canning Arians . Rons a defensive coach and our defense has been great since he came here how dumb can y'all be ?

If all he was responsible for was the defense or he was just a DC, that would be plenty of reason for him to not get fired.

the truth is, the offense, defense, and special teams is all on his head. if just one isn't up to par, he's ultimately responsible.

if shula isn't doing his job well, it's up to ron to either ensure shula does his job or find someone who can.

if the players on offense either aren't prepared or aren't executing well, it's up to shula to ensure that either the players can execute the plan or tailor the plan to fit the personnel better. if shula can't ensure that either of those remedies take place, it's then on rivera to, again, either ensure that shula somehow follows through or finds someone who can.

unless you are a blind homer, you have to admit that the offense isn't working. it doesn't matter why it doesn't work...just fix it. they aren't getting it done. shula isn't getting it done and if shula isn't getting it done, then rivera needs to take action. if rivera can't or won't make it work, he's not doing his job correctly. if rivera isn't doing his job, then we have to move on from him.

also there's the very real possibility that rivera's message may have gotten old and whatever he was able to do to get the team pointed in the right direction wont work. it happens to all but the most rare of coaches...in fact the only one that seems to have really have outlived that is in new england. it even happened to andy reid which is why he's no longer in philly. it happens. it will more than likely happen to ron if it hasn't happened to him already.

when that happens, you have to move on, regardless of track record of success. all that matters is right now and going forward. past successes mean nothing if you have topped out and are on the downward spiral, which very well could be the case.

the fact that he deflects all blame for things not going right onto the players does nothing to help his relations with the team. it's a sign of poor leadership, one of several that i've seen from him that also point to reasons we should fin someone else.

you want reasons why...there they are. you may not agree or feel that even if those are true, they aren't incentive for moving on which is fine. for the rest of us....all this comes from a point of view that isn't satisfied with the status quo. it comes from a point of fandom that wants the best for the team and wants us to sit on top of the hill for a long time and i'm pretty sure that rivera isn't going to make that happen.

i' along with many here, would like to be wrong, but there's more than enough evidence that we may have seen the best from rivera & co and instead of waiting around another 5 years to see if he can pull it off...i'd rather just cut ties and go with someone who can adapt what they do to who we have and will coach a more aggressive and progressive style that will take us to the top.

a question for you, though...before you and sanjay poo me again for not looking through rose colored beer goggles, at what point do you draw the line? what would have to happen for you to feel like moving on from ron would be the best thing for the team? or is it RRFE(ronriveraforeva)?

[rayzor]

26 minutes ago, Chairman Wow said:

There is no way Rivera gets fired this season, even if the Panthers finish 4-12.

And the Panthers are way too good defensively to finish 4-12. 

good to know that the bar is set so low.

[Chairman Wow]

1 minute ago, rayzor said:

good to know that the bar is set so low.

When you are a two-time NFL coach of the year who guided an overachieving bunch to the Superbowl two years ago, you get plenty of rope. Rivera has been fired by Panther Fans a hundred times in the past. 

[rayzor]

7 minutes ago, Chairman Wow said:

When you are a two-time NFL coach of the year who guided an overachieving bunch to the Superbowl two years ago, you get plenty of rope. Rivera has been fired by Panther Fans a hundred times in the past. 

so i'll ask you what i asked others...at what point do you pull the plug? where is the bar set?

[beastson]

8 minutes ago, Chairman Wow said:

When you are a two-time NFL coach of the year who guided an overachieving bunch to the Superbowl two years ago, you get plenty of rope. Rivera has been fired by Panther Fans a hundred times in the past. 

He won coach of the year, boo hoo

Win a SB

Then you get plenty of rope.

[Chairman Wow]

4 minutes ago, rayzor said:

so i'll ask you what i asked others...at what point do you pull the plug? where is the bar set?

You don't "set a bar".

You watch and see what happens and make a decision.

But there is NO WAY JR is going to fire Rivera after this season, no matter if the wheels fall off.

He has EARNED at least one more year.

Seriously, if fans, who generally know next to nothing about football, made REAL decisions, coaches would be fired after nearly every loss. 

I think it was 2013 after a loss to Arizona dropped the Panthers to 1-3 that legitimately, about 99% of Panther Fans wanted Rivera's head on a platter? Remember? It was "all over"....the team had "quit on Rivera"...legions of "fans" said they would never watch another Panther game again until Rivera was fired...What happened...well, you know, the Panthers won 11 of their next 12 games.

Fanboy is WAY too reactionary. 

[rayzor]

2 minutes ago, Chairman Wow said:

You don't "set a bar".

You watch and see what happens and make a decision.

But there is NO WAY JR is going to fire Rivera after this season, no matter if the wheels fall off.

He has EARNED at least one more year.

Seriously, if fans, who generally know next to nothing about football, made REAL decisions, coaches would be fired after nearly every loss. 

I think it was 2013 after a loss to Arizona dropped the Panthers to 1-3 that legitimately, about 99% of Panther Fans wanted Rivera's head on a platter? Remember? It was "all over"....the team had "quit on Rivera"...legions of "fans" said they would never watch another Panther game again until Rivera was fired...What happened...well, you know, the Panthers won 11 of their next 12 games.

Fanboy is WAY too reactionary. 

you have to set the bar somewhere. there has to be some standard for success and some timetable that it has to be reached, unless you are totally and unendingly comfortable with the status quo.

so again...where is that line or is there one?

[uncfan888]

At least in 2013 he changed and started gambling more. That helped ignite the team...  Now we're back to stoic tugboat Ron

[Chairman Wow]

11 minutes ago, rayzor said:

you have to set the bar somewhere. there has to be some standard for success and some timetable that it has to be reached, unless you are totally and unendingly comfortable with the status quo.

so again...where is that line or is there one?

No owner in his right mind would say "if we don't finish 9-7, my coach is fired". Owners are universally successful people precisely because the don't box themselves in with this king of silliness. What happens if a team goes 8-8, but finishes 8-0 and is winning in dominant fashion? You fire the coach, right? Of course you don't.