I Have No More Excuses for Christian McCaffrey

[thefuzz]

Why make excuses?

He is a major player on an awful offense.

[GoobyPls]

3 hours ago, stbugs said:

Leave it to a guy like you to jump to a completely wrong conclusion. Where did I ever argue that CMC was better or worse? Also, why should I bring up ypc for backups instead of bringing up what I did, i.e. the leading rusher for each game Cook missed? Should I penalize Murray/McKinnon for coming up in mop up/end of game/whatever situations or should I show their games when they were the lead runner getting almost 20 carries per game like Cook got?

Just in case you missed it, which you did, my point was that while people mention Cook as way better because of his result, they ignore that the Vikings lead back has done well every game whether it was Cook, McKinnon or Murray, i.e. their running game (coaches and OL) is performing well. Our OL and coaches are not doing well, so calling CMC a bust is not worth discussing. I even think Fournette wouldn't be doing well. What I see in our running game is the LSU vs. Alabama games. Our RBs are getting hit before they can make any effort. Have you seen any holes like Fournette's long TDs? I honestly can't remember a single good big hole.

Did I clarify my point for you?

Your whole post was comparing the two trying to down play Cook. And since when is playing mop up supposed to be a deterrent? Most back RB have better ypc playing clean up. Just look at Fozzy last year 

Cook and Fournette both would be doing better in Carolina, reason being is their both better than Mccaffrey and have always been better. Pre combine Mccaffrey wasn’t even a top 3 prospect 

 

Good RB create their own holes, their were plays Sunday where if Mccaffrey broke just one tackle he could of got at least 6-10 yards 

[usmcpanthers]

Barry Sanders and Walter Payton couldnt run behind this oline and scheme. Ive seen nothing but good from cmc. Ive seen him make something out of nothing plenty of times. Yes on some occasions he has danced to much, but poo he is a rookie. He is also the reason why Cam's completion percentage is way up. 

[electro's horse]

1 hour ago, grimesgoat said:

Electro -what would it take for you to come around?  If he breaks off a 60 yard TD? 2 60 yard TDs? Seriously, when would he not be a bust in your mind?  What numbers does he need?  Be specific.

He could physically be capable of playing in the nfl to start. 

But maybe gettleman was planning on the nfl switching to flag football next year. 

Cmc will dominate!

[grimesgoat]

5 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

He could physically be capable of playing in the nfl to start. 

But maybe gettleman was planning on the nfl switching to flag football next year. 

Cmc will dominate!

Don't duck the question.  You're supposed to be the smartest guy on here.  What numbers do you need?

[electro's horse]

The excuses though are just staggering. 

Like if we were going to draft a left tackle in the top ten, but going in he told the team

1. I need a lg to help me

2. I need a chip from a tight end

3. I don’t step back well so we’ll have to keep the qb under center

4. I don’t really pass block well so plycalling might expose me

people would obviously not want the player. 

But because a bunch of low information football fans decided our first round pick immediately has to be good, and a few other factors about cmc specifically that are best not gone in to, they’re willing to twist themselves into knots making excuses for him. 

Top ten draft picks are supposed to make the team better and help them overcome adversity. 

Theyre not here to thrive under absolutely perfect circumstances. 

And that’s just about the hand waving away of his lack of production. That says nothing about how insanely outmatched he is out there. 

[electro's horse]

2 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

Don't duck the question.  You're supposed to be the smartest guy on here.  What numbers do you need?

I’m not ducking a question, it’s a stupid question. 

If he had better numbers he’d be a better player. His production and tape is what it is at this point, and it’s not good. 

You might as well be asking me what I’d rather his last name be, as relevant as that would be. 

[xav8tor]

One player has generated more yardage than CMC...Cam Newton. CMC is at 631 combined (Rush/Rec/Ret), which projects to 1,442 for the season. So far, this has been accomplished with coaches that have no clue about how to get max. production out of him, running behind a grossly underperforming run blocking line (mainly up the middle, which is not his forte), being nearly always open, but seldom targeted, and returning kicks/punts behind a special team that, historically at least, has been special only in the "short bus" sense of the word. I've said it before and will say it again. If he was in NE, or even NO, he'd be a headliner on a weekly basis. People are getting hung up on his position designation and ignoring the overall results, which could easily be double what they are. The real obstacles in his path aren't wearing opposing team colors.

[electro's horse]

3 minutes ago, xav8tor said:

One player has generated more yardage than CMC...Cam Newton. CMC is at 631 combined (Rush/Rec/Ret), which projects to 1,442 for the season. 

Lol including his return yards my god 

[electro's horse]

Even if you add up his rushing, receiving, returns, blocks, cookies sold at the bake sale, whatever... 

it’s not like it’s helped the team at all. He’s fuging Jason capel out there.

“Well he leads the team in receptions!” Yeah that’s probably a symptom of how bad the offense is, not a mark for how good cmc is at getting two yards a catch. 

“Well without him it would be worse.” Worse than three points against the bears? You’re happy with that from a top ten pick? With his 25 touches a game we got into field goal range once?

[xav8tor]

Just now, electro's horse said:

Lol including his return yards my god 

As you know they aren't high, so math being your friend, sub on, then do that x thingy. The point stands. He's not bust. He is underutilized and/or misused by an inept coaching staff. I know it's gotta be true because that Bayless guy on ESPN said so just yesterday.

[grimesgoat]

Just now, electro's horse said:

I’m not ducking a question, it’s a stupid question. 

If he had better numbers he’d be a better player. His production and tape is what it is at this point, and it’s not good. 

You might as well be asking me what I’d rather his last name be, as relevant as that would be. 

Its disingenuous to whine about production when you do not even have an idea what the production should be.  He was drafted and paid to put up numbers, not have his height and weight measured. If he puts up 1200 rushing/receiving yards and 1500 all purpose, will you still tell us he's too small?

If you've already made up your mind after 7 games that's fine.  And you may be right in the long run - time will tell.  For me - 7 games into a professional career is simply too soon to draw any final conclusions.   

FYI, here is what the other offensive weapons are doing this year that were drafted around the same time as CMC.

Corey Davis (5th) 7 for 73

Mike Williams (7th) 1 for 15

John Ross (9th) 1 for 12 yards

Meanwhile Bolles (20th), the first tackle off the board, is being bitch-slapped in Denver.

 

 

[grimesgoat]

5 minutes ago, electro's horse said:

“Well without him it would be worse.” Worse than three points against the bears? You’re happy with that from a top ten pick? With his 25 touches a game we got into field goal range once?

We got in field goal range 5-6 times, we just kept giving the damn ball away.  The offense wasn't pretty, but we moved the chains.

And yes it could be worse.  Cleveland had 3 first round picks including the number one overall and they are 0-7.  If you are intent on being miserable, just go root for them.

[electro's horse]

15 minutes ago, grimesgoat said:

Its disingenuous to whine about production when you do not even have an idea what the production should be.  He was drafted and paid to put up numbers, not have his height and weight measured. If he puts up 1200 rushing/receiving yards and 1500 all purpose, will you still tell us he's too small?

If you've already made up your mind after 7 games that's fine.  And you may be right in the long run - time will tell.  For me - 7 games into a professional career is simply too soon to draw any final conclusions.   

FYI, here is what the other offensive weapons are doing this year that were drafted around the same time as CMC.

Corey Davis (5th) 7 for 73

Mike Williams (7th) 1 for 15

John Ross (9th) 1 for 12 yards

Meanwhile Bolles (20th), the first tackle off the board, is being bitch-slapped in Denver.

 

 

Dude you’re trying to get me to say a magical number so you can find other good players and compare their rookie numbers as if that proves a goddamn thing. For every player that struggled their rookie year and blossomed into something else there are dozens who looked exactly like what they were: not cut out for the league. 

Regardless of whatever aggregate production we agreed on that was suitable for a top ten pick, it’s far more than what he’s on pace to do. 

CMC hype was built around him doing a bunch of poo in college that you can’t get away with in the pros. And true to form, no nfl linebackers are fooled by his stutter steps. 

And why are you only looking at players drafted “around his time?” There are plenty of rookies out performing him and looking better doing it, including running backs. Just because the panthers overvalued him doesn’t mean we should handicap our analysis of him relative to other players from his draft class.