I Have No More Excuses for Christian McCaffrey

[Hoenheim]

6 minutes ago, ladypanther said:

Have you read any of the 3047 threads on Shula?

yea, he's not helping things either. But I can't blame it all on the coordinator and the oline. If he was a good runner he'd at least occasionally break one or two a game. Instead he gets taken down with incredible ease. 

[Sean Payton's Vicodin]

37 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

Could have had Lattimore and Kamara.

Amirite?

I was begging for either lattimore or hooker in the draft thread. I couldnt believe getts jumped on this trash ass player.

[Nails]

13 minutes ago, saints4lifeagain said:

Well, they didn't. They traded a future 2nd and kept their 3rd round picks. They basically took their 2nd a year early. A 2nd for Kamara>>>>#8 for CMC.

Silly to render a final verdict since you haven’t the first clue who will be available with that 2018 2nd.  The only thing we know for sure is that you’ll have a ton of holes (including at DE) and a need at QB.

[Mvp2014]

1 hour ago, Hoenheim said:

His stats through 7 games : 

Rushing : 

- 45 Attempts, 114 yards , 2.5 YPC

Receiving : 

- 44  Receptions, 329 yards, 7.5 AVG 

 

I'm not throwing him under the bus giving the circumstances of the team, but can anyone deny he's been a massive disappointment as a NFL running back. There were a lot of people whispering he wasn't big enough or strong enough to be a good NFL runner and so far is absolutely true. I've seen way too many times he's going down on first contact, getting dragged down by arm tackles, and getting rag-dolled by almost any NFL defender . Sure Shula isn't helping him and the oline has been ass at run blocking, but notice how Stewart managed to pop off a few good runs last game? McCaffrey, is stll getting stoned by the nearest defender. And as much as people keep saying shut up about Fournette and that he wouldn't fit our scheme, would he or Cook have been doing just as badly as McCaffrey is right now? 

Perhaps his somewhat saving grace is that he's been excellent catching the football . But how is drafting a decent slot WR worth it at the #8 spot in the draft? 

As of right now, it looks like we still don't have a good RB for the future. I don't think our oline is ever going to be good enough for tiny dude like McCaffrey to have much success running behind. 

 

I think its too much to ask for , for him to drastically change his weight and playing style to be a much better more well rounded running back that can bounce off some tackles and not get pushed around so much at the LOS. I'm by no means a troll, and long time Panther fan, but I'm just frustrated that the highest draft pick we've had since Luke and Cam has been a horrible dissapointment this far. I want him to improve, and I want the team to give him better circumstances to operate in. But you all know Shula/Rivera not going anywhere during the season, and the oline's not going to improve much with the Kalil brothers constantly getting injured and Turner going down, McCaffreys blocking is going to get worse . 

Who said Fournette didt fit?  He would have been perfect to replace Stewart and keep pressure off Cam.  We even attempted to trade up for him I believe.  If anything cmc didnt fit thats why we added a bunch of plays.  Hard to tell what we have with our runningbacks with this o line and coaching.  Please deliver us a stud tackle and competent coaching staff

 

 

[Hoenheim]

4 minutes ago, Cpt slay a ho said:

The problem is we did very little to nothing to fix the issues from previous seasons that had our own j stew getting met in the backfield, what have we done to prevent teams from stacking the box ? hes being use correctly, cams completion % has increased but damn we are still relying on him to be the leading rusher, this o line issues has got to be resolve next offseason, even if it takes trading picks or players.  This is essentially what makes the cmc pick a luxury pick.

CMC is reliant on a dominating downhill oline to success, Bryce Love is even smaller than McCaffrey and already outdoing him in the same system /line. 

Good thing is, if JR and whoever our GM is finally deicide to get serious about getting a superior oline, there's some good prospects for next year already.  Mike McGlinchey, Connor Williams, Orlando Brown . Royce Freeman and Bo Scarborough also look like solid 2nd round power running backs . 

[Cpt slay a ho]

I know Shula sucks and all that good stuff we like repeating over and over but the eagles game we ran tosses and stretch plays that got blown up for losses and put us in 2nd or 3rd and longs. Talent on the oline is garbage, our best linemen Ian struggling to stay healthy also. I lobbied hard for lattimore on here, I like the cmc pick if we figure out some damn way to keep every team on the schedule from stacking the box religiously 

[backtobackwinningseasons]

I am pretty underwhelmed with him too, but our OL is a mess and the running schemes are even worse. So it's hard to really judge what we have with him.

I will say he just looks really small out there and goes down on first contact way too often which is also very concerning.

He'll be a bust if he plays more than a season for this coaching staff for sure. They have no idea how to utilize him or any of other players on the team.

[Cpt slay a ho]

2 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

CMC is reliant on a dominating downhill oline to success, Bryce Love is even smaller than McCaffrey and already outdoing him in the same system /line. 

Good thing is, if JR and whoever our GM is finally deicide to get serious about getting a superior oline, there's some good prospects for next year already.  Mike McGlinchey, Connor Williams, Orlando Brown . Royce Freeman and Bo Scarborough also look like solid 2nd round power running backs . 

I'm in the rbs are a dime a dozen train, no need in drafting a rb in the 1st round anymore unless it's late first or mid to late 2nd round picks, and this is ofcourse once you have your o line situation settled. I mean Blount sat in fa until like 3 weeks before the season, signed a cheap deal with the eagles and is doing. Pretty damn decent.

[PrimeTimeHeel]

I am never a fan of drafting a RB in the 1st round. I want that used for the trenches. 

[Hoenheim]

Just now, PrimeTimeHeel said:

I am never a fan of drafting a RB in the 1st round. I want that used for the trenches. 

The only problem is that last year's draft, there wasn't anyone worth taking at #8 at OT  . The best would coulda done was probably trading way down the board to get Ramcyzk , and maybe trading back up again to get Cam Robinson . 

[PantherOnTheProwl1523]

Very sad to condemn CMC when he has no chance to do or go anywhere with the offensive line the way it is. This is his first season and give him time and he may get going once OL is fixed. As for Lattimore and Kamara who cares because unfortunately the Saints have them and we have CMC and he may advance further than those 2 anyway. Give him a break people because none of you know what he is truly capable of at all once line is fixed and ready to roll.

[PrimeTimeHeel]

15 minutes ago, Hoenheim said:

The only problem is that last year's draft, there wasn't anyone worth taking at #8 at OT  . The best would coulda done was probably trading way down the board to get Ramcyzk , and maybe trading back up again to get Cam Robinson . 

I am not a believer in this whole "not anyone worth taking" excuse. There are always people worth taking. Always players who are overlooked or just plain missed who get drafted late or some even undrafted who do well. Generally speaking. 

But assuming there wasn't, I am still not a fan of a RB in the 1st. Would rather draft DE, CB, WR. 

[saints4lifeagain]

41 minutes ago, Nails said:

Silly to render a final verdict since you haven’t the first clue who will be available with that 2018 2nd.  The only thing we know for sure is that you’ll have a ton of holes (including at DE) and a need at QB.

Saints are fine at DE. Okafor is playing very well. Tons of holes lol. 

[GoobyPls]

22 minutes ago, stbugs said:

It's hard to see any potential with the way our OL has played, but it's harder for most of the people on this site to see the forest for the trees.

We see the, well we should have taken Cook because he was doing gangbusters. Well, has anyone seen what has happened for the Vikings? 3 games without Cook and the top rushers for the Vikings have done this (actually better than Cook):

McKinnon 16-95 (5.9 ypc) 1 TD

McKinnon 15-69 (4.6 ypc) 1 TD

Murray: 18-113 (6.3 ypc) 1 TD

So, was Cook amazing or have the Vikings just been run blocking well enough that they basically haven't missed Cook at all with a career backup and a guy who they signed for 3 years (basically a 1 year deal if Cook did well)? Not saying Cook isn't a decent RB, but his backups have done just as well and maybe even a little better.

Note that @beastonmentioned CMC and Cook and if he's talking about the pre-draft talk, it might have been my mock where I picked CMC in the first and Cook in the 2nd, mainly to get rid of Stewart's cost and to improve the offense. I think Cook tears his ACL, so not a good plan for this year, but I liked the idea and the cap savings. I think most of my scenarios had a different 1st round pick, but again I didn't think our OL (all of them) and offense would be this bad.

Leave it to the huddle to make an argument for Mccaffrey being better than Cook.

Why don't you bring up ypc?? Murray ypc is 3.8, Mckinnon is 4.3 and Cook was 4.8 and was almost averaging 100 yards a game. So how exactly are they doing better? 

Keep in mind Cook actually beat out both of them for the staring role, Zimmer whose as stubborn as Rivera when it comes to veteran saw that Cook was the superior talent. Mccaffrey couldn't beat out CAP for the feature role.

 

All in all, just look at FSU without Cook and Stanford without Mccaffrey that will tell you the entire truth. Whose better than who