Is Ron Rivera a good head coach?

[TheBiggerCat]

If this team falls to .500 not a single person on this forum should step foot in BOA until a HC or OC change is made. Empty seats is the only way JR responds.

[Smithers]

Rivera seems like a nice enough guy...and I am sure the players like him.  But he just is not head coaching material.  He is a poor talent evaluate.  He puts the wrong people in the wrong place.  He is afraid to cut ties and make important decisions.  He is a bad game manager.  He lacks a win-now mentality.  He has no ability to make in-game adjustments.  

 

[Malt Liquor]

Not a good NFL head coach

[Panthers Fanatic]

No. Simply stated, Ron Rivera is not a leader of men and is best suited as a DC/position coach. But Jerry picks people he likes and/or are comfortable with, not necessarily the right people for the job, thus Ron, Hurney, etc. The one time he stepped out of his comfort zone and sought the advice from an outsider (Accorsi) he got "burned" by hiring Gettleman and it will validate his nature of staying safe with the buddy system. If you think about it, Ron's loyalty to Shula is just an extension of team culture. We can expect more of the same unless the change happens at the top...sigh.

I've not been one to bang the drum for new ownership, but if we ever win under JR it'll be by accident. SB50 was our shot and I knew that watching the game on 2/7/16.

[JakeDel5674]

Absolutely not.  He is a damn solid Coordinator though.  

[Fox007]

Couldn't coach his way out of a wet paper bag.

[NJPanthers12]

57 minutes ago, Sam Mills Fan said:

Apparently you can't make polls anymore, so reply to this thread with your answer and I'll tally after 24 hours.

A. I thought you were a titans fan

B. Is Ron Rivera a good coach? Hahahhahaahhahahahahahahhahahahhahaahahhaha are you kidding me with that question?

No he is not and I was saying that since year 2 of his tenure, including the 15-1 run.

[Snake]

58 minutes ago, Mr. Scot said:

No. 

He might be one of the better defensive coordinators in the game, but he doesn't have the skill set to be a good head coach.

I hate it because he seems like an incredibly nice guy with a fine family. If there were a way to keep him as a DC, I'd be all for it, but that kind of thing really just doesn't happen. 

He's worse than Fox was imo. You almost need a great OC to overcome all his poor clock management. 

[AceBoogie]

No

[Jmac]

21 minutes ago, Panthers Fanatic said:

No. Simply stated, Ron Rivera is not a leader of men and is best suited as a DC/position coach. But Jerry picks people he likes and/or are comfortable with, not necessarily the right people for the job, thus Ron, Hurney, etc. The one time he stepped out of his comfort zone and sought the advice from an outsider (Accorsi) he got "burned" by hiring Gettleman and it will validate his nature of staying safe with the buddy system. If you think about it, Ron's loyalty to Shula is just an extension of team culture. We can expect more of the same unless the change happens at the top...sigh.

I've not been one to bang the drum for new ownership, but if we ever win under JR it'll be by accident. SB50 was our shot and I knew that watching the game on 2/7/16.

He didn't get burned by hiring D.G. He was one of the better GM's they have had. Sure he made some mistakes, but also did some very good things. Now bringing Hurney back is a real ass burning.

[rayzor]

i had started writing a much longer post about how, just from a leadership perspective, he's horrible but i'm just not in the mood.

basically it comes down to this...i think he has good intentions, but he either doesn't have the guts or the ability to take it to the next level, at least not consistently. when it comes right down to it, he's got tunnel vision and is too caught up in the status quo (what he calls consistency).

in his initial press conference that mr. scot eluded to, we saw what he was advertising as a coaching philosophy that was very aggressive for being a defensive minded coach. i was never in favor of hiring another DC to be HC because they have a proven tendency to be more conservative in the game planning and management. i needed to see aggression and coming from the jim johnson school of defense, i thought he might just be able to pull it off. we've seen that a couple times (earning the name riverboat ron), but not consistently. there has always been a regression to his more passive and conservative game management skills that, quite honestly, never showed a significant improvement like we had hoped.

there's a lot of things i value in leadership that i won't go into, but there are some things that are absolute killers that i think rivera has exhibited in spades that negate any positive things he brings to the table.

• lack of follow through on vision (well intentioned, but unable or unwilling to follow through on what he sets out to do in the beginning of each season)
• too accepting of poor performances from his staff (mainly on the offensive side of the ball. shula has had one year of a successful offense in all the years (10?) he's had control of the show. he's got a 10% track record of success. at some point you've got to see that maybe it's not just the personnel...it's the one making the decisions. also matsko as running game coordinator? he's got the worst OL and the worst run game we've probably ever had right now. he should pull the plug on that, but who here thinks he will?
• inability to take the blame and a lack of accountability...that's a real killer. he and shula habitually publicly deflect all of it onto the players. you just can't do that. kills morale. kills confidence. kills the team.

i could go on and on....but essentially he's just not a good leader. i don't think he has the team's back. i think he's got his assistant coaches back and that's about it. he needs to go because at this point and going forward he's going to do more harm than good.

i felt early on that he should have game management responsibilities taken away from him until he gets a better grasp on it, but thought that he did a pretty good job of preparing the team for action. i think the team is less prepared this year than at any time in his tenure here and worse, he never got better at game management.

he's a likable fellow, but he should go back to being a DC.

[Panthers Fanatic]

5 minutes ago, Jmac said:

He didn't get burned by hiring D.G. He was one of the better GM's they have had. Sure he made some mistakes, but also did some very good things. Now bringing Hurney back is a real ass burning.

Agreed. I'm just coming at it from the owner's perspective with that comment. JR's probably sitting at home thinking he'll never do that again and will stick to his method of hiring people he likes. I think Gettleman had his faults but he was the first true GM this franchise ever had and was willing to make some tough decisions, despite his lack of tact. 

[PhillyB]

imo he stopped learning three years ago

[thennek]

Since  everyone has basically said RR is not a good head coach,  my question is how many NFL head coaches are actually really good at what they do?

Other than Belichick, Tomlinson, Mike McCarthy, and Pete Carroll how many really good NFL Head Coaches are there?