This team is Gettleman's legacy

[Jmac]

This team has been mediocre for most of its existence. Four or five years of success out of 20+ years is not very good. D.G wasn't the best, but he gave the franchise some hope. Now the clown is back in town that was a big part of the problem (along with other  clowns). It has always been this way.....they all deserve blame.

[TN05]

14 minutes ago, Jmac said:

This team has been mediocre for most of its existence. Four or five years of success out of 20+ years is not very good. D.G wasn't the best, but he gave the franchise some hope. Now the clown is back in town that was a big part of the problem (along with other  clowns). It has always been this way.....they all deserve blame.

Please, tell me how Marty Hurney has ruined this season. Hint: he didn't draft anyone in the last four years, sign our lineman, receivers, cornerbacks, or special teams players.

This team is all Gettleman at this point and the gaping holes that never were filled are on him.

[Jmac]

7 minutes ago, TN05 said:

Please, tell me how Marty Hurney has ruined this season. Hint: he didn't draft anyone in the last four years, sign our lineman, receivers, cornerbacks, or special teams players.

This team is all Gettleman at this point and the gaping holes that never were filled are on 

D.G got this team out of cap hell while making it to the SB and division champions twice. I fully believe that JR was trying to influence his decisions . D.G probably wasn't having it so he was fired. If you think he was bad,  just watch what you get next. 

[TN05]

2 minutes ago, Jmac said:

D.G got this team out of cap hell

Literally the first thing I said.

2 minutes ago, Jmac said:

while making it to the SB and division champions twice. I fully believe that JR was trying to influence his decisions and D.G wasn't having it. D.G probably wasn't having it so he was fired. If you think he was bad,  just watch what you get next.

JR didn’t want him to cut Davis and Olsen. Wise move considering Gettleman is sh*t at personnel, especially replacing important players.

[TN05]

18 minutes ago, thebigcat said:

I think Gettleman would have been an even better GM but I suspect that JR has been meddling behind the scenes for a while 

Yes obviously everything good that happens is because of Gettleman and everything bad that happens is JR/Hurney/Shula.

[Ricky Spanish]

13 minutes ago, TN05 said:

Please, tell me how Marty Hurney has ruined this season. Hint: he didn't draft anyone in the last four years, sign our lineman, receivers, cornerbacks, or special teams players.

This team is all Gettleman at this point and the gaping holes that never were filled are on him.

Hurney has nothing to do with this team this year aside from the kicker, the punter, and a few bottom of the depth chart secondary players. 

But like I said, the pieces were put in place for the coaches to succeed. Now the coaches are really screwing the pooch hard. It's not a personnel issue. It's not a talent issue. In 2015 we had far less talent at the WR position than we do now. Our LT is definitely worse but the Guards and RT are on the same plane. Center is also a downgrade but not as severe as it could be. 

Our crappy LT is not why our offense looks anemic. It's the coaching.

[Peppers90 NC]

8 minutes ago, TN05 said:

JR didn’t want him to cut Davis and Olsen. Wise move considering Gettleman is sh*t at personnel, especially replacing important players.

So not giving those 2 players an immediate extension is the same thing as cutting them?

[SCO96]

4 minutes ago, Cracka McNasty said:

Hurney has nothing to do with this team this year aside from the kicker, the punter, and a few bottom of the depth chart secondary players. 

But like I said, the pieces were put in place for the coaches to succeed. Now the coaches are really screwing the pooch hard. It's not a personnel issue. It's not a talent issue. In 2015 we had far less talent at the WR position than we do now. Our LT is definitely worse but the Guards and RT are on the same plane. Center is also a downgrade but not as severe as it could be. 

Our crappy LT is not why our offense looks anemic. It's the coaching.

Agreed. If you took this exact same offensive squad and handed them to Sean Payton, Josh McDaniel, Norv Turner, Todd Haley, Andy Reid, etc we'd average over 21 points per game and wouldn't be losing to teams that only attempt 7 passing plays in a game.

I also believe these guys could tell that the current OL is underperforming and needs a shakeup. Why Moton isn't getting more snaps is a mystery. We have (2) 1st round picks in our backfield and our QB (another 1st round choice ironically) is the leading rusher on the team. The current offensive line run blocking is a dismal failure.

Year ago Bum Phillips was said they following about Don Shula (how ironic) "He can take his and beat yours, and take yours and beat his". In other words he knew who to put players into position to make plays and get the best out of them. Mike Shula and Ron Rivera can not consistently do that on the offensive side of the ball.

[mav1234]

Hard to judge what is going on this season, but overall, I think Gettleman's biggest problem was that he was too callous for JR in how he handled contracts for existing players. JR has always seemed to value drafting and developing talent and overpaying the poo out of it over anything else.

[SCO96]

34 minutes ago, mav1234 said:

Hard to judge what is going on this season, but overall, I think Gettleman's biggest problem was that he was too callous for JR in how he handled contracts for existing players. JR has always seemed to value drafting and developing talent and overpaying the poo out of it over anything else.

Nothing wrong with drafting and developing talent. Our problems was like you pointed out, we paid to much to keep their rookie deals expired. C. Johnson, Deangelo, Stewart, all got overly generous extensions. I think all 3 could have been retained for less money. And, in hindsight, we probably should've split up double trouble years ago. They were fun to watch in their prime, but we really didn't accomplish much as a team with them.

[The Righteous Troll]

The big reason I'm excited going forward is because of the firing of Dave Gettleman. Although I didn't like the timing of it.

No one can say that the team was better in 2016 than 2015  from a talent standpoint. Passing on Derrick Henry,Ashaun Robinson , Jarron Reed or ANY offensive linemen from that draft was a huge mistake.

You build thorough the draft and Gettleman's football philosophy for building a roster was obsolete.

[SCO96]

10 minutes ago, The Righteous Troll said:

The big reason I'm excited going forward is because of the firing of Dave Gettleman. Although I didn't like the timing of it.

No one can say that the team was better in 2016 than 2015  from a talent standpoint. Passing on Derrick Henry,Ashaun Robinson , Jarron Reed or ANY offensive linemen from that draft was a huge mistake.

You build thorough the draft and Gettleman's football philosophy for building a roster was obsolete.

What really concerns me are his 1st round choices and the terrible 2016 draft (Butler, 3 CB's and a TE that I don't even think is on our practice squad anymore).

None of his 1st round choices the past several years tilt the field in our favor. Shaq, Butler, and CMac haven't lived up to the slot sections so far. We wouldn't be any worse off if we had traded out of our 1st round slot each of those years and picked up extra draft choices. In fact, we'd probably maybe we would be better.

Call me old school, but I believe high draft choices should make an immediate impact.  Under DG, ours really didn't do that. Thing is, it's hard to get excited about his departure.  Unless a new GM and mindset enters our FO, we're going to get more of the same.

[Cpt slay a ho]

Both Hurney And Dg were sub par gm's, could go through a list of mistakes both made in there tenure here, but DG mistakes were a little different, they were driven by ego or just ignorance, your call.

Like i said in another thread, the blatant disregard for the secondary and o line is reason enough for him to be fired. We can only hope the next gm is better, best of both dg and hurney, or if it's going to be hurney, hope he's learned from his previous mistakes.

[The Righteous Troll]

2 hours ago, SCO96 said:

What really concerns me are his 1st round choices and the terrible 2016 draft (Butler, 3 CB's and a TE that I don't even think is on our practice squad anymore).

None of his 1st round choices the past several years tilt the field in our favor. Shaq, Butler, and CMac haven't lived up to the slot sections so far. We wouldn't be any worse off if we had traded out of our 1st round slot each of those years and picked up extra draft choices. In fact, we'd probably maybe we would be better.

Call me old school, but I believe high draft choices should make an immediate impact.  Under DG, ours really didn't do that. Thing is, it's hard to get excited about his departure.  Unless a new GM and mindset enters our FO, we're going to get more of the same.

Nothing old school about expecting players taken in the top 100 to contribute immediately.

2016 was a completely awful offseason starting with Norman. You make him play under that tag period don't care If your not gonna pay him next year. Pulling the tag just created a unnecessary hole in the defense which was obvious when Julio Jones went off for 300 yards receiving.

I would have taken Henry in 2016 but no one can tell me that Vernon Butler was any better than national champions Jarron Reed or A'Shaun Robinson from Alabama. It does not make any sense period if you wanted a DT take one from the best defense in college football. And apparently Gettleman didn't watch the Super Bowl or he would have drafted some tackle to protect the MVP QB.

 

McCaffery is who I thought he was although I hope he proves me wrong...he's a college system RB that is a slot WR in the NFL.....not worth 9th overall.No one can say different because Cam is the leading rusher yet we took a "running back" ninth overall. Trading down was the best option...the Texans or Chiefs could have given the Panthers two first rounders in 2018 and extra picks this past draft.McCaffey's replacement at Stanford is already breaking all of his records.