The Walking Dead

[Woodie]

Just watched some early season episodes, and the difference between that show and what the show has become is stark.  Then, the show was really character driven, and it did a great job of exploring the challenges and how life would change in an apocalypse.  This is where everyone shined and we saw just how awesome Darrell, Carol, Rick, & co. were.  You could see the struggle within each one, and it made you think about what you would do if you were in a situation like this.  Just a much deeper show.

Compare that to where the show is currently.  Gimple turned the show from being character driven to a conflict driven show.  Everything is about obstacles and the good guys struggling to deal with the bad guys.  The characters are interchangeable and have become one dimensional.  There's no depth there anymore, and there is no internal struggle within the characters.

By the nature of the show, there is going to be conflict.  However, while the conflict was originally just a devise used to show the struggle within the main characters and group (a McGuffin if you will), things have turned.  The main story now revolves around the conflict, and the characters are just a devise to move that story along.

 

[jasonluckydog]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/metro.co.uk/2017/07/27/the-walking-dead-showrunner-teases-the-show-could-be-moving-to-europe-6809375/amp/

 

They mentioned this last year it would be pretty cool to do TWD Europe. .I doubt it happens now but that would have been a nice spinoff

[cookinbrak]

On 6/26/2018 at 1:40 PM, Woodie said:

Now, Fear of the Walking Dead did get MUCH better.  I think they finally realized that the cast they had was not very good, so are in the midst of a mini re-boot.  The new characters are really good, and this show is now much closer to the feel of the original WD than the Negan version is.  The first three seasons were meh, at best, but season four is getting pretty interesting.

As far as I can tell, there's only one character left from the beginning. And the storylines are so much better. The little girl, the John Dory/Naomi love story, the recording chick with the apocalypse truck, and Morgan are way more interesting.

 

[CRA]

8 hours ago, cookinbrak said:

As far as I can tell, there's only one character left from the beginning. And the storylines are so much better. The little girl, the John Dory/Naomi love story, the recording chick with the apocalypse truck, and Morgan are way more interesting.

 

Strand and the daughter are all that is left.  

[Porn Shop Clerk]

On 7/1/2018 at 11:30 PM, Woodie said:

Just watched some early season episodes, and the difference between that show and what the show has become is stark.  Then, the show was really character driven, and it did a great job of exploring the challenges and how life would change in an apocalypse.  This is where everyone shined and we saw just how awesome Darrell, Carol, Rick, & co. were.  You could see the struggle within each one, and it made you think about what you would do if you were in a situation like this.  Just a much deeper show.

 

 

People called it slow and complained about it, so Gimple "fixed" it.

[Bronn]

Now there's speculation that Rick dying will really be Rick getting captured by the Whisperers and being gone for the rest of the season. Then, S10 will be touted as "the return of Rick Grimes!" or either Rick's head will end up on a border post.

 

basically Glenn's dumpster 2.0...

LOL if they do that.

I really don't think it should be renewed for S10 either way, but it probably will.

[Woodie]

6 hours ago, Bronn said:

Now there's speculation that Rick dying will really be Rick getting captured by the Whisperers and being gone for the rest of the season. Then, S10 will be touted as "the return of Rick Grimes!" or either Rick's head will end up on a border post.

 

basically Glenn's dumpster 2.0...

LOL if they do that.

I really don't think it should be renewed for S10 either way, but it probably will.

If they do this, I think it's because Andrew Lincoln asked for some time off, but didn't want to leave the show.  So, this would be a way to explain his absence when he eventually returns.  While it would be similar, I don't think this would be the same as Glenn's dumpster fiasco.  IMO, that was done specifically to fool and shock the audience, while this would just be a way to accommodate Lincoln wanting to take some time off.  

I've also heard rumors that it will have to do with that helicopter.  Maybe Rick gets taken by the unknown group and Darrell and co. spends the rest of the season trying to find him...this could be what takes them into Washington.  

The thing is, nobody knows.  Heck, it hasn't even been confirmed that Andrew Lincoln is even leaving the show.  Nobody associated with the show has said anything.  It would actually be a brilliant troll job if the show "leaked" he was leaving just to stir up discussion and interest during the downtime and just before a new show runner takes over.  I have also been hearing more and more that all these spoilers people have been talking about are mostly fake, so who knows.

One point though.  Rumors said he was only going to be in 6 episodes this year.  And rumors have said that he dies in episode 5 at the hands of a herd.  But, if the herd actually was the Whisperers, or if he gets taken by the unknown group, then I could see the possibility of a brief glimpse of a captive Rick as a cliffhanger in the season finale.

[Cary Kollins]

lol TWD has turned into such a poo show. I don't blame the actors for wanting to jump off that burning ship.

[Bronn]

Hate watching the day after, still.

I don't know if I believe Rick will actually die or ride off in a helicopter or find a dumpster to hide under for a while.

I'm kinda of the mindset that the show might not be getting renewed for season 10, and this whole "Rick Grimes' final episode" stuff and Maggie leaving are just the writing on the wall of everything just merging into Fear The Walking Dead.

[Skack25]

I've heard that he doesn't die.  My money is on Jadis (spelling) handing him over.

I wasn't interested, then got interested again after E3, now, not really interested again.

[CRA]

1 hour ago, Bronn said:

Hate watching the day after, still.

I don't know if I believe Rick will actually die or ride off in a helicopter or find a dumpster to hide under for a while.

I'm kinda of the mindset that the show might not be getting renewed for season 10, and this whole "Rick Grimes' final episode" stuff and Maggie leaving are just the writing on the wall of everything just merging into Fear The Walking Dead.

I have officially given up on the show.  Haven't watched.  I did see where they were advertising "Rick's final 2 episodes".  Which I don't get.  If you are going to kill someone off this season....why pinpoint the exact episode he is no longer on the show.  Could of at least made it a mystery of at some point in the season.  I'd say most of an audience doesn't read spoilers and wouldn't know when it was coming.  

Just  the fact they are advertising it like they are......I would guess they leave it as an open ending mystery.  Like something happens but there is no death confirmed.   He has some out where he leaves or rides of into the sunset. Which IMO would be just as bad as the Glenn/dumpster which was the technical end of the show IMO.  But if they don't kill Rick after all that hype? Fug that.  

I just don't see how a show could kill a main character and tell everyone the episode.  That kinda kills the WOW factor.  Let me know what lame plot they go with. 

 

[Bronn]

16 hours ago, CRA said:

I have officially given up on the show.  Haven't watched.  I did see where they were advertising "Rick's final 2 episodes".  Which I don't get.  If you are going to kill someone off this season....why pinpoint the exact episode he is no longer on the show.  Could of at least made it a mystery of at some point in the season.  I'd say most of an audience doesn't read spoilers and wouldn't know when it was coming.  

Just  the fact they are advertising it like they are......I would guess they leave it as an open ending mystery.  Like something happens but there is no death confirmed.   He has some out where he leaves or rides of into the sunset. Which IMO would be just as bad as the Glenn/dumpster which was the technical end of the show IMO.  But if they don't kill Rick after all that hype? Fug that.  

I just don't see how a show could kill a main character and tell everyone the episode.  That kinda kills the WOW factor.  Let me know what lame plot they go with. 

 

So, in this week's episode, Rick gets thrown from his horse while trying to redirect a herd of walkers. He runs into a second, larger herd, and that's when it happens.

He lands onto and is impaled by a piece of rebar through the left side of his abdomen, and he passes out.

The previews for next week make it appear as though he somehow gets off the rebar and gets away on foot. There's also some evidence of flashbacks/dreams/visions, so who really knows what all that'll be about.

If I had to guess, without looking up any spoilers, the herds probably converge on Rick's horse, which we still see in the final frames of this week's episode. This gives Rick time to wake up, somehow get off the rebar, and slowly make his way back to civilization.

They've rebuilt a bridge over this river, and from the preview it looks like Rick is leading the herd over that bridge. They made a point in this week's episode to show the rising, rough waters, and talk about how it wouldn't hold up under much foot traffic. Rick was out there trying to lead the herd away from the bridge, but it looks like he's going to take them over it next week.

In the previous week, we see Jadis (she's going by Anne now) call the mystery helicopter people and basically ask for extraction. She's denied, the person on the other end of the secret radio telling her that she has to pay the price. Gabriel catches her in the process, to which she responds by telling him something about there being "A's and B's in the world" and that she had Gabriel pegged for a B. When he tells her that, despite his feelings for her, that he would have to tell Rick about the secret radio, she says that he is in fact an A.

She then responds by knocking him out. This week he awakens, tied up, with her about to put a walker on him to bite him. He ends up talking her out of it, but she knocks him out again. He awakens inside a storage container in the junkyard with nobody around.

Some think Rick will be extracted by the mystery helicopter people. Some think he'll die and turn in the process of walking back to Alexandria.

Who knows?

I will say that this season has been a little better to me than previous seasons. They still do some pretty dumb stuff at times and should still stick closer to the source. But meh. I really don't think the show can survive killing Rick off, or even getting rid of him for a half season. It might make a push for a season 10 renewal, but with all the rumors about Rick, Maggie, and even Michonne circling, one would have to think that they're just going to merge their Walking Dead shows into one and proceed without any comic canon.

[Bronn]

I found this posted in one of the spoiler sites I go to. It was this person's first post, so it has me wondering if they are in the know and passing it off like they are just making a theory:

The first thing this made me think of, for some reason, was the short story "An Incident at Owl Creek Bridge" where the protagonist is about to be hanged from a bridge (!) As he's falling to his death, the rope breaks and he falls into the water and escapes. From there he makes his way back towards home and his wife. Just as he's about to get to her and take her in his arms....the rope snaps around his neck.

The entirety of the story took place, in his imagination, in the time it took him to fall from the bridge and for the rope to pull taut. I wonder if TWD might do a riff on this where he encounters all his "departed" friends and thinks he's made it back to Michonne, only for the scene to shift and show us he's actually died on the rebar...

Kind of odd to use a specific referencing to that short story.

There's also some speculation that Jadis/Anne saves Rick with her helicopter people, as he and Negan were her main target "A's" (I'm assuming this means Alphas, as we're about to meet another "Alpha" via the Whisperer arc) the whole time.

It should be interesting to watch, but I'm not gonna get my hopes up. Someone said it pretty hilariously elsewhere that if they are just gonna pull another fakeout, they should have just put rotors on Glenn's dumpster and had Rick be saved by it instead.

Also, it sounds like I was right about the walkers being distracted by/eating Rick's horse, so we'll see.

[Bronn]

From the "spoiler ninjas"

UPDATE 10/31/18:

Ladies and gentleman... Happy fuging Halloween. We have our answer regarding Rick’s fate. We’ll have a Q&A out sometime tomorrow with more details, but we know everyone is antsy for answers to the big question.

DOES RICK DIE?!

The answer is....

NOOOOOO!! HE LIVES!!!!! He will experience another close call on the bridge and everyone will believe he’s dead. However, we’ll learn that he actually survives and Jadis calls in the helicopter to take him UP UP UP far far away...

Not sure if 100%, but lol.