The Walking Dead

[Fryfan]

1 hour ago, Porn Shop Clerk said:

everyone wanted them to diverge from the comics so away we go

if they put some end game in plan I could be back on board.

 

Lets find some people working on a cure and do a great final arc.

 

 

[Porn Shop Clerk]

that would be the worst ending possible, which means it is also the most likely at this point

[Bronn]

I'm pretty sure now that TWD won't be coming back for a 10th season. Rick's gone. Maggie's gone. Some rumor that Michonne is gone. I'm thinking Carol may be done too, as they're shacking her up with Ezekiel, which gives me hope that maybe she'll finally get her comic death soon.

They bumped Reedus' salary up to make him not outright quit, I think. He'll be the main character for probably the last half of S9.

It hasn't been renewed, ratings are some of their all time lowest, and Gimple basically ruined it.

Also, I just read the other day that Kirkman and several others sued AMC back in 2017 because their profits were being marginalized like Darabont's were. That can't bode well.
 

I think, if anything, they'll try to merge some more characters into it and make FTWD their single zombie show.

 

RIP. Should have stayed with the canon, and it would have been able to keep going. Scott Gimple shouldn't be able to get work after this.

[Bronn]

PS I hope it ends with the Whisperers coming in with their horde and killing everyone.

[Bronn]

PPS I read a rumor the other day that Maggie and Rick just simply walk away off the show, in opposite directions. How dumb would that be? lol

[jasonluckydog]

The Walking dead should after this season just do short stories like the Tell games. Focus on one group, or family tell their story in about 2-5 episodes rinse and repeat. 

[cookinbrak]

On 6/22/2018 at 8:12 AM, Bronn said:

I think, if anything, they'll try to merge some more characters into it and make FTWD their single zombie show. 

That would be fine, the writing on Fear is a thousand times better this season. John Dory is the best character ever.

[jasonluckydog]

11 hours ago, cookinbrak said:

That would be fine, the writing on Fear is a thousand times better this season. John Dory is the best character ever.

My old lady gets wet each time he's on...you know like the fish.

[Proudiddy]

Quit watching prior to last season save for the episode where Gabriel and the Doc search for a cure for his eyes, which was really well done and reminiscent of the superb writing and execution of TWDs early glory days...  other than that episode, I checked reviews each week to see if it was worth picking back up, but it was still riddled with Gimple's plot holes and idiocy, so I just couldn't do it.  Then I heard Gimple was being "promoted," and one of the other writers was stepping up as show runner, so I had hope that AMC saw the mistake they made...  I also heard FTWD was better than it's been in a long while under the new show runner's direction and that gave me even more hope that they could fix the mess Gimple made.

Then I heard the report about Lincoln leaving regardless, and all hope went out the window.  The chances of being able to undo what Gimlple did were already slim, but Lincoln's departure cements it...  it is the proverbial nail in the coffin.  I honestly think Lincoln gritted his teeth and was a good soldier for the franchise over the last couple of seasons despite seeing it going down in flames with each passing episode and pointless elimination of staple characters, and then I think killing off Carl for no real fuging reason was the last straw...  he knew the show had nowhere else to go but down even further and had enough.  It was a good run...

Rick's love for Carl is what pulled readers and audiences in to invest in the story to begin with...  just sucks Gimple completely and single-handedly murdered one of the best shows ever in television history.  And as another poster said above, Gimple should never be able to work again as a show runner or head writer...  period.

[lightsout]

Scott Gimple made me hate a show that I loved and defended long after most die hard fans were growing frustrated with it. AMC tried forcing us to like him by thrusting him on Talking Dead almost weekly, but nobody likes what he did. Rather than change anything, he screwed over Chandler Riggs and the fans by killing him for nothing and putting the show on a trajectory that is only destined for total chaos. 

TWD is going to be a cautionary tale for shows moving forward.

[Woodie]

2 hours ago, Proudiddy said:

Quit watching prior to last season save for the episode where Gabriel and the Doc search for a cure for his eyes, which was really well done and reminiscent of the superb writing and execution of TWDs early glory days...  other than that episode, I checked reviews each week to see if it was worth picking back up, but it was still riddled with Gimple's plot holes and idiocy, so I just couldn't do it.  Then I heard Gimple was being "promoted," and one of the other writers was stepping up as show runner, so I had hope that AMC saw the mistake they made...  I also heard FTWD was better than it's been in a long while under the new show runner's direction and that gave me even more hope that they could fix the mess Gimple made.

Then I heard the report about Lincoln leaving regardless, and all hope went out the window.  The chances of being able to undo what Gimlple did were already slim, but Lincoln's departure cements it...  it is the proverbial nail in the coffin.  I honestly think Lincoln gritted his teeth and was a good soldier for the franchise over the last couple of seasons despite seeing it going down in flames with each passing episode and pointless elimination of staple characters, and then I think killing off Carl for no real fuging reason was the last straw...  he knew the show had nowhere else to go but down even further and had enough.  It was a good run...

Rick's love for Carl is what pulled readers and audiences in to invest in the story to begin with...  just sucks Gimple completely and single-handedly murdered one of the best shows ever in television history.  And as another poster said above, Gimple should never be able to work again as a show runner or head writer...  period.

Agree, Gimple destroyed what was special and interesting about the show.  I think he got infatuated by the idea of faking out the fans, and it completely backfired.  The Glenn rolling under the trash bin nonsense pissed many fans off, then he cemented his failing by not showing who Negan killed in the season finale.    

The biggest travesty is how he completely bungled a potentially amazing storyline with Negan.  Sure JDM was a great get.  But, it seemed like they were just stretching things out just to keep him out front as long as they could...story be damned.  The Negan storyline should have been for only one season, maybe one and a half if they highlighted "all out war."  

In fact, it felt as if this became the Negan show instead of the focus on Rick and the gang.  It became more about good guys vs. bad guys than a story about some of the struggles a group of people in an apocalypse would face.  Then, this season, they added a pro wrestling aspect by trying to turn the former heel into a sympathetic figure.  Negan bashed in the heads of two fan favorites.  There's no way he can be a sympathetic figure.  No amount of understanding his backstory can make up for the sight of Glenn's eye popping out of his head.  Just poor story telling.

Now, Fear of the Walking Dead did get MUCH better.  I think they finally realized that the cast they had was not very good, so are in the midst of a mini re-boot.  The new characters are really good, and this show is now much closer to the feel of the original WD than the Negan version is.  The first three seasons were meh, at best, but season four is getting pretty interesting.  

[Goondal]

1 hour ago, Woodie said:

Agree, Gimple destroyed what was special and interesting about the show.  I think he got infatuated by the idea of faking out the fans, and it completely backfired.  The Glenn rolling under the trash bin nonsense pissed many fans off, then he cemented his failing by not showing who Negan killed in the season finale.     

Agreed, while I still watched for a small time after the dumpster, I basically gave up caring the moment he returned.

The way the network ruined this show so they could stretch things out and milk the product is only surpassed but what Showtime did to Dexter.  Luckily I learned from my experience watching that until the end and was able to get out of this crap when I did.

[CRA]

On 6/26/2018 at 1:18 PM, lightsout said:

Scott Gimple made me hate a show that I loved and defended long after most die hard fans were growing frustrated with it. AMC tried forcing us to like him by thrusting him on Talking Dead almost weekly, but nobody likes what he did. Rather than change anything, he screwed over Chandler Riggs and the fans by killing him for nothing and putting the show on a trajectory that is only destined for total chaos. 

TWD is going to be a cautionary tale for shows moving forward.

I also think great stories have a beginning, middle and end.   So when you start one of these "epic" TV shows.....not having all that generally planned out seems to always start to haunt them. 

Walking Dead also got painfully caught up in following a comic plot and not knowing where it was ever really going.   Like a LOST.  First two seasons of LOST and TWD were awesome.  Both shows feel victim of just hanging around with there story because TV rating were awesome and giving zero fugs about where it really was going. 

I don't think today's viewers like the day time TV soap approach of a never ending story that only comes about when the shows hand is forced into it. 

[lightsout]

4 hours ago, CRA said:

I also think great stories have a beginning, middle and end.   So when you start one of these "epic" TV shows.....not having all that generally planned out seems to always start to haunt them. 

Walking Dead also got painfully caught up in following a comic plot and not knowing where it was ever really going.   Like a LOST.  First two seasons of LOST and TWD were awesome.  Both shows feel victim of just hanging around with there story because TV rating were awesome and giving zero fugs about where it really was going. 

I don't think today's viewers like the day time TV soap approach of a never ending story that only comes about when the shows hand is forced into it. 

 

You have to include the Negan story in the show, but they muffed it badly and tried to make it much larger than it ever was in the comic. They did this for "character development" across several characters, but they even muffed that. There was no grand realisation at the end of the season. We all saw that SEVERAL episodes prior, Rick just acted on it in the finale.

Gimple tried to keep us guessing for too long and hurt the show beyond repair in the process.

In my mind, they should have been looking towards the end of the show's story around the time they arrived in Alexandria. Get through Negan, then let the Whisperer war be the conclusion. You can alter that story to allow a conclusion to all the story plots and be fine. 

But no, we have this cluster fug.