Leadership, and lack thereof

[thefuzz]

Just now, AggieLean said:

See, I don't understand this. What makes them not a leader but Luke and/or TD leaders? All the rah rah stuff you see them two doing, you see Cam and/or Olsen doing.

Cam accounts for what, 80% of our offense? He steps up and carries the load, because that is what leaders do. Cam and Olsens side of the ball isn't as good as the defensive side of the ball, so of course the defense looks better, and it looks like the defense has "leaders".

I'm not talking about leadership on the field.

I'm speaking of a general lack of leadership throughout the team, not just one facet.

[Paa Langfart]

1 hour ago, thefuzz said:

I'm not talking about leadership on the field.

I'm speaking of a general lack of leadership throughout the team, not just one facet.

What do you expect from a guy that is 80 plus years old with a heart transplant, stoic Ron and a retread " interim " gm ?  Its obvious to everyone we need to clean house from top to bottom.

[AggieLean]

2 minutes ago, thefuzz said:

I'm not talking about leadership on the field.

I'm speaking of a general lack of leadership throughout the team, not just one facet.

Well if you're not talking on the field, then what are you talking about? It has to be the field you're talking about, otherwise you would've included the defensive guys in your opening statement. Throughout the team or on/off the field, I don't think they do anything else different than the other "leaders."

[thefuzz]

17 hours ago, AggieLean said:

Well if you're not talking on the field, then what are you talking about? It has to be the field you're talking about, otherwise you would've included the defensive guys in your opening statement. Throughout the team or on/off the field, I don't think they do anything else different than the other "leaders."

What part of Front Office or Coaching leadership has to do with on field leaders?

And yes, I do feel more comfortable with the leaders on the defensive side of the ball. 

DLine:  Peppers and Big Money

LB's:  Luke and TD

Secondary:  Capt. and Kurt.

 

I feel much better about those meeting rooms vs. O Line, and WR's.

 

[Peppers90 NC]

all our leaders seem to be on the defensive side of the ball, some may suggest R Kalil is a leader but Im not buying it, maybe Olsen.

[Peppers90 NC]

17 hours ago, AggieLean said:

There is leadership on the offensive side of the ball, though.

funny how we said exact opposite things

[Mr. Scot]

17 hours ago, AggieLean said:

I think our true issue on offense, is there's just a lack of talent. Either lack of talent or pieces that don't fit, and we have now and have had management that didn't know how to build around the talent that we do have. I don't think it's a leadership issue, but then again, I could be wrong

It's not a lack of talent. 

It's a lack of somebody who knows what to do with them.

Our play designs are generally awful. Other teams have pretty well figured out our schemes and know how to beat them and nobody has a clue how to adjust. 

Meanwhile, the head coach sits back and says that it's more about making plays then calling plays. 

[Darvinsun]

From what I see kahil, Cam, and Olsen are the leaders on the offensive side of the ball. But the leaders are all wounded. Someone else needs to have a voice and step up. It should be Wr1 benji if he wants to be #1 or stew if he wants to be #1 rb....neither of the 2 are outspoken..Stew ran the ball better but has reduce playing time..I like Christian but he is a scat back. I would rather watch CAP ..whats the point in retaining him if he neva plays rb. U bring CMC in and he cannot break 1 tackle yet he is running between the tackles. Some else needs to command respect. This team is laughable on the offensive side of the ball..and that is all Ron and Shula fault.

[LinvilleGorge]

18 hours ago, Panthers Fanatic said:

I couldn't agree more but you forgot that we have bad leadership in the owner's suite (for a while now), i.e. inserting yourself and your emotions at the wrong times. I can't decide which is worse! 

The one common thread to the Panthers' history of never having back to back winning seasons is Jerry Richardson. We've had scattered success here and there but it's never sustained. Different GMs, different coaches, different players, same owner, same wildly inconsistent results.

[thefuzz]

1 minute ago, Darvinsun said:

From what I see kahil, Cam, and Olsen are the leaders on the offensive side of the ball. But the leaders are all wounded. Someone else needs to have a voice and step up. It should be Wr1 benji if he wants to be #1 or stew if he wants to be #1 rb....neither of the 2 are outspoken..Stew ran the ball better but has reduce playing time..I like Christian but he is a scat back. I would rather watch CAP ..whats the point in retaining him if he neva plays rb. U bring CMC in and he cannot break 1 tackle yet he is running between the tackles. Some else needs to command respect. This team is laughable on the offensive side of the ball..and that is all Ron and Shula fault.

Kalil and Cam are both "fun" guys, they like to laugh, have fun, joke around, generally keep things light.  Olsen isn't a vocal leader, he's a watch how I conduct my business leader.

To further the leadership woes on the offensive side, we can also add Shula and Dorsey, neither of which have done a damn thing that they can fall back on when the going gets rough.

I just feel there is a void from ownership, all the way down to the last practice squad player right now, and bad football is the direct result.

[Jon Snow]

Leadership starts at the top.  JR is asleep in his comfy sky box only waking long enough to take a sip of his sweet tea.   Look no further than the big guy for this teams mentality.

But hey, everyone is happy!

[Khyber53]

18 hours ago, thefuzz said:

The void on the offensive side of the ball starts with Ron, then Shula.

I do want to see Cam, Trai, and whomever else step up in that department though, may go a long way.

I think if Cam or Trai were going to stand up, they would have done it by now. One has gone Hollywood and both are just cashing big checks and putting in about 50% effort right now.

And that whole "some people lead differently" crap is just a cop out that translates to "My favorite player is a great leader, just no one can see it."

 

[AggieLean]

7 minutes ago, Khyber53 said:

I think if Cam or Trai were going to stand up, they would have done it by now. One has gone Hollywood and both are just cashing big checks and putting in about 50% effort right now.

And that whole "some people lead differently" crap is just a cop out that translates to "My favorite player is a great leader, just no one can see it."

 

Hollywood? Lol

So, what makes Luke or TD leaders and Cam not one?

[CRA]

Offense IMO has always lacked an real identity. 

A mean Cam goes out there and is Cam.  That isn't' really an identity.   No one on the O actually rallies the guys, barks, and gets emotional either.  Haven't really had that since Jake Delhomme (pre Tommy John injury).  89 could give some emotional spark in play and behavior (we don't have that either). 

I realize Cam celebrates well after scores but that isn't the in game spark and push 89 represented.  He also has never displayed the pre Tommy John fire of Jake.  Not saying Cam has to be the guy....we just don't have that guy.