Luke officially out with concussion as reason

[rayzor]

15 hours ago, sanjay_rajput said:

So that stupid neck collar can be thrown in garbage can. I think it migh have actually amplified the concussion symptoms.

he's practicing with a helmet on this early into the protocol. that's not amplifying the concussion. considering each time you get a concussion it's quite likely the symptoms are going to be worse, i'd say if anything the collar actually helped minimize the effects of the concussion. the science behind it is sound and the results so far have been very good where it's been tested.

[wud35]

2 minutes ago, KillerKat said:

So does 2 minor ones = 1 big one? How many more minor ones until it's serious? I think all types should be cause for concern.

well we were not talking about that. you have moved on to something else. and you can't say to what degree a concussion is by what equals what. there is a lot of misconceptions on here about concussion. its not always black and white. you are right, all concussions are bad but some heal and don't cause permanent damage while others do. now granted most involved with collisions in events such as some hard hits in football can be the worst type that can cause permanent damage we can't assume all of them do.

[xav8tor]

Some of you guys need to quit wagging it (making wild ass guesses). At least apply facts (protocol and supporting resources) to the few available somewhat reliable facts out there (photos, videos, and maybe, and it's a big maybe, statements from the team).

Face it, two trained physicians diagnosed Luke with a concussion, if by no other way than the inability to rule it out. Friday practice photos show Luke in individual player drills. Per the protocol, that's, at minimum, stage four. However, the Voth video also shows him hitting a sled/dummy type device. That is strictly prohibited by the rules until the team physician has cleared him for contact, which is the final stage, number five. If, after contact practice, he remains baseline with no recurring symptoms, he may then be cleared by the independent consultant after full, final review.

As far as travel goes, since he's well past rest and recovery, (stage one), I wouldn't attach a ton of meaning to a plane ride at this point. If able to do advanced aerobics, drills, and contact, I can't think of a clear reason right now that a post concussion patient...at his apparent advanced stage of recovery... shouldn't fly in a pressurized aircraft. Early on, probably so, but now? At this point a really bad cold could be more dangerous than a less than two hour flight in a commercial jet. Plenty of head injury patients in very bad shape get flown around all the time. I could come up with scenarios where it'd be ill advised for him, but the ones off the top of my head are pretty far fetched (expected severe turbulence with no way to avoid it, explosive decomp, etc.).

If Luke's head is going to explode this weekend, it will probably be on the sidelines when he sees a boneheaded play that should have been avoided. The pic from last year of him screaming his lungs out with Rivera smirking. Actually, I think Ron is more like a proud father type here. I'm calling it now. One day, hopefully later rather than sooner, that man is going to be one helluva coach.

 

[therealmjl]

16 minutes ago, xav8tor said:

Some of you guys need to quit wagging it (making wild ass guesses). At least apply facts (protocol and supporting resources) to the few available somewhat reliable facts out there (photos, videos, and maybe, and it's a big maybe, statements from the team).

Face it, two trained physicians diagnosed Luke with a concussion, if by no other way than the inability to rule it out. Friday practice photos show Luke in individual player drills. Per the protocol, that's, at minimum, stage four. However, the Voth video also shows him hitting a sled/dummy type device. That is strictly prohibited by the rules until the team physician has cleared him for contact, which is the final stage, number five. If, after contact practice, he remains baseline with no recurring symptoms, he may then be cleared by the independent consultant after full, final review.

As far as travel goes, since he's well past rest and recovery, (stage one), I wouldn't attach a ton of meaning to a plane ride at this point. If able to do advanced aerobics, drills, and contact, I can't think of a clear reason right now that a post concussion patient...at his apparent advanced stage of recovery... shouldn't fly in a pressurized aircraft. Early on, probably so, but now? At this point a really bad cold could be more dangerous than a less than two hour flight in a commercial jet. Plenty of head injury patients in very bad shape get flown around all the time. I could come up with scenarios where it'd be ill advised for him, but the ones off the top of my head are pretty far fetched (expected severe turbulence with no way to avoid it, explosive decomp, etc.).

If Luke's head is going to explode this weekend, it will probably be on the sidelines when he sees a boneheaded play that should have been avoided. The pic from last year of him screaming his lungs out with Rivera smirking in the close background is a classic. I'm calling it now. One day, hopefully later rather than sooner, that man is going to be one helluva coach.

I am having a hard time understanding the point you are making here?

[xav8tor]

15 minutes ago, mjligon said:

I am having a hard time understanding the point you are making here?

People STILL guessing, not even that, reacting to a situation with few known facts, worsened by not considering the ones that are known, coupled with interjecting additional things that have minimal, if any, relevance.

Summary:

A. Luke WAS diagnosed with a concussion, or at best, one couldn't be ruled out.

B. Luke has, in fact, relatively rapidly, progressed through protocol stages so far.

C. Flying on a plane at stage four or five doesn't really prove anything about his current status that isn't already obvious.

D. Although not stated, I'll add it: There are insufficient facts to conclude much of anything else at this point, other than:

     1. Concern about his future in terms of his health, specifically, susceptibility to concussions, is definitely warranted.

     2. Conclusions that he should immediately retire are, at best, premature.

     3. The man is special. It's really rare (particularly around here) to see so many people seemingly genuinely concerned about someone they don't even know, especially since the majority of the concern is about the man himself, not the player. 

 

[therealmjl]

3 minutes ago, xav8tor said:

People STILL guessing, not even that, reacting to a situation with few known facts, worsened by not considering the ones that are known, coupled with interjecting additional things that minimal, if any, relevance.

Summary:

A. Luke WAS diagnosed with a concussion, or at best, one couldn't be ruled out.

B. Luke has, in fact, relatively rapidly, progressed through protocol stages so far.

C. Flying on a plane at stage four or five doesn't really prove anything about his current status that isn't already obvious.

D. Although not stated, I'll add it: There are insufficient facts to conclude much of anything else at this point, other than:

     1. Concern about his future in terms of his health, specifically, susceptibility to concussions, is definitely warranted.

     2. Conclusions that he should immediately retire are, at best, premature.

     3. The man is special. It's really rare (particularly around here) to see so many people seemingly genuinely concerned about someone they don't even know, especially since the majority of the concern is about the man himself, not the player. 

 

Yeah okay we are on the same page here.

He obviously had some sort of concussion-esque injury, and I’m pleased with how quickly he has advanced through the stages of the protocol.

I expect him to be cleared when he meets with the doctor Monday.

[xav8tor]

Just now, mjligon said:

Yeah okay we are on the same page here.

He obviously had some sort of concussion-esque injury, and I’m pleased with how quickly he has advanced through the stages of the protocol.

I expect him to be cleared when he meets with the doctor Monday.

Cool. I'm hoping exactly the same thing, and that would definitely be totally within the four corners of the protocol assuming they are sticking to the rules and that, due to him hitting that gizmo, it means stage five. How Person figured it means stage three is beyond me. That's one place the protocol is as clear as a bell. ZERO contact with man or machine until cleared by the team doc at stage five.

[therealmjl]

3 minutes ago, xav8tor said:

Cool. I'm hoping exactly the same thing, and that would definitely be totally within the four corners of the protocol assuming they are sticking to the rules and that, due to him hitting that gizmo, it means stage five. How Person figured it means stage three is beyond me. That's one place the protocol is as clear as a bell. ZERO contact with man or machine until cleared by the team doc at stage five.

Yeah I’ve been following the threads and your posts and you know your stuff on this subject so I was moreso curious as to what you were thinking. 

I just can’t wrap my mind around worrying about his career right now (especially after what appears to be an extremely quick recovery unlike the last two injuries). Maybe it’s me not wanting to admit that he is “concussion-prone” and a ticking tim bomb-  or maybe it’s just the facts that have been put out surrounding this particular injury.

[xav8tor]

1 hour ago, mjligon said:

I’m no doctor (just like 99% of you...except @thebigcat) but I do know that players with concussions are typically not allowed to fly with the team to away games.

Again, the fact that doctors have given Luke the green light to board the team plane tells me he is farther along in recovery than many of you folks are insinuating. He isn’t broken, and it magically isn’t time for him to call it a career. 

R-E-L-A-X.

On a side note, speaking of necks, etc., notice anything else in this pic, and not just with Luke?

Hint: If he was cleared to play, would he have been benched for a series anyway?

[wud35]

19 minutes ago, xav8tor said:

On a side note, speaking of necks, etc., notice anything else in this pic, and not just with Luke?

Hint: If he was cleared to play, would he have been benched for a series anyway?

you trying to start up the tie thing again?

[shulasmyhero]

The comparisons to Dan Morgan got me thinking.  When Morgan was playing is there any chance this one would have been diagnosed as a concussion?

[xav8tor]

2 hours ago, wud35 said:

you trying to start up the tie thing again?

Hell no. Just an observation that apparently, RR changed the dress code, which begs the question, why can't he learn and adapt equally well with his on the field decisions?

[kungfoodude]

I think we all have had the "Dan Morgan" thoughts cross our mind with Luke's concussions. It is certainly worrisome, especially the way that Luke plays. As tenacious as he is, it would probably be hard to calculate the beating he has taken over his complete football career. I hope his HOF track career doesn't get derailed by this. More importantly, I hope Luke knows when to hang it up if this does become a regular thing. As important as he has been to our franchise, I don't want to see him suffer from some of the long term effects that these kind of injuries can have.

[Snake]

9 hours ago, raleigh-panther said:

Lord no Snake. I wish we did 

he is the poor man’s Klein

i have nothing against him at all but in the world of pro linebackers.  Luke -is exceptional  Klein is Average.  Mayo, nope 

have to do more than cover the run 

 

If you're judging from last games performance don't. The kid is better than Klein.