Anyone wish we had Fournette instead of CMC

[uncfan888]

2 minutes ago, The NFL Shield At Midfield said:

ultimately it's an exercise in pointlessness like every other "anyone else think we should have drafted/signed x" thread

so you're asking if anyone else wishes the panther roster was some kind of hellish chimera of the best players to come out of the draft for several years in a row?  uh, yes?

It's just another thread for the same people to bitch about McCaffrey 

[CRA]

Fun fact...

CMC has more production 6 games into his career than DeAngelo and Stewart did. 

[CarolinaSamurai]

Just now, CRA said:

He leads all rookies in receptions and receiving yards....so how do they not know how to use him?  You act like he isn’t producing. 

We are only 6 games into a season and his career.  Total over reaction.  Tons of all pros and HOFers have less impressive 6 game starts.  Way too early for all this talk. 

Hell, Ron, Cam and Carolina tradionally don’t even get started rolling until Nov historically.  Don’t be shocked when he is busting off 150 total yard games with a couple scores in Nov/Dec. 

I thought he was a running back? Or is he a WR now. If memory serves he's a RB who can catch and run great routes. You cling on to this stat all you want but it's completely bs and hides the truth. He's not being used correctly. He should be leading the league in all purpose yards. Somehow giving all the attention to him isn't helping us run or open the feild for others enough. 

We have a horrible run game with a number 8 RB pick! That's not good. You can blame the Oline all you want but these were top guards going into the season and I refuse to believe they all of a sudden suck. And our center and tackles arnt as bad as people think either. 

So either our Oline sucks, our RBs suck, or the playcalling does. I tend to think it's playcalling. My worse fear was we'd get CMC and not use him correctly. To me that's exactly what's happening. 

[TalonNC]

5 minutes ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

I thought he was a running back? Or is he a WR now. If memory serves he's a RB who can catch and run great routes. You cling on to this stat all you want but it's completely bs and hides the truth. He's not being used correctly. He should be leading the league in all purpose yards. Somehow giving all the attention to him isn't helping us run or open the feild for others enough. 

We have a horrible run game with a number 8 RB pick! That's not good. You can blame the Oline all you want but these were top guards going into the season and I refuse to believe they all of a sudden suck. And our center and tackles arnt as bad as people think either. 

So either our Oline sucks, our RBs suck, or the playcalling does. I tend to think it's playcalling. My worse fear was we'd get CMC and not use him correctly. To me that's exactly what's happening. 

Feel free to enlighten us on how to use CMC correctly? And as for Oline sucking Overnight... 3 out of the 5 Offensive line have never played a snap together until this year.. and those TOP tier Guards you speak of haven't played with them either... All Plays start up front with PROPER blocking... if the play isn't blocked right nothing after that will take place efficiently or effectively. So no matter WHO is taking the handoff the play is already in the negative if the Oline is not doing it's job (Which it clearly isnt doing).. 

[KaseKlosed]

2 hours ago, mc52beast said:

Watching Total Access and the guys are talking about what Leonard has done this year;

almost 600 yds rushing and six touchdowns, a threat in the run game and the passing game.

i know our o-line is questionable but does LF do better in Carolina than CMC has done so far? 

[SCP]

Meh, I'm not an envious person. CMAC will be fine. 

[CarolinaSamurai]

1 minute ago, TalonNC said:

Feel free to enlighten us on how to use CMC correctly? And as for Oline sucking Overnight... 3 out of the 5 Offensive line have never played a snap together until this year.. and those TOP tier Guards you speak of haven't played with them either... All Plays start up front with PROPER blocking... if the play isn't blocked right nothing after that will take place efficiently or effectively. So no matter WHO is taking the handoff the play is already in the negative if the Oline is not doing it's job (Which it clearly isnt doing).. 

Get simple, I formation with a lead full back and a hat on a hat blocking scheme. Olineman are outright missing blocks and look lost and I think hunkering down and getting simple would help. Not always but more of it. 

People are so quick to blame poor blocking on the players but alot of the guys that are suppose to be blocked are coming in untouched. Missed assignments or not your blocking scheme is too complicated if that's happening as much as it has to us. 

I'd also start using Samuel more to stretch the feild. But you know gotta be tricky Shula and out think himself to the point of crazy town. 

[2jakefansinva]

2 hours ago, mc52beast said:

Watching Total Access and the guys are talking about what Leonard has done this year;

almost 600 yds rushing and six touchdowns, a threat in the run game and the passing game.

i know our o-line is questionable but does LF do better in Carolina than CMC has done so far? 

No

[JARROD]

So we were supposed to give up everything to get a guy that is exactly like we have now just younger?

and how is anyone going to get more yards when they are getting first contact 2-3 yards behind scrimmage?

the jaguars had top picks for a long time, and they are finally able to capitalize.

we haven't been in a position to draft the top tackles at all, and many that were screamed over at our picks the last few years were busts.

 

[KaseKlosed]

People will defend the pick of CMC because they fell in love with the hope and hype of a great white running back which is rare. The reality is the kid is NOT an every down NFL running back. Regular season so far the coaches havent even committed to the idea of running him between the tackles and that is evident when they always hand the ball of to stew when hes in the game and its a run up the middle. Like I said 100 times.. Fournette would have been the pick if he was there. CMC was an attempt to get a much better scatback than Fozzy and a player who can pplay multiple positions since we lost Ted Ginn for special teams. CMC will not get any bigger than he is now and he will only be a superb slot WR. He is the perfect player for the patriots type scheme. Shula is just not built mentally to be creative enough when its game day and the game is on the line. Dude is just lost at times. CMC will never make a probowl especially in our offence. LF is headed straight for the probowl and rookie of the year. Hopefully many of these CMC stans will come back down to Earth one day. Till then we are getting what I expected for us to get... Well to be honest I thought he would avg 50 yards rushing and 30 yards receiving  but that aint happening every game.  We could of got a tyrik choen in the 3rd or 4th round, we could of got a Kareem Hunt in the 2nd or 3rd round.... but nope we spend a top 10 pick on a slot WR/Fake RB

[TalonNC]

20 minutes ago, CarolinaSamurai said:

Get simple, I formation with a lead full back and a hat on a hat blocking scheme. Olineman are outright missing blocks and look lost and I think hunkering down and getting simple would help. Not always but more of it. 

People are so quick to blame poor blocking on the players but alot of the guys that are suppose to be blocked are coming in untouched. Missed assignments or not your blocking scheme is too complicated if that's happening as much as it has to us. 

I'd also start using Samuel more to stretch the feild. But you know gotta be tricky Shula and out think himself to the point of crazy town. 

First I need to apologize for mistaking you as the OP, i kinda skipped to the last page. Simplifying the blocking scheme is definitely a start to the solution. I don't know how many times i saw our tackles providing uneffective help (shoulder rubs) to our Guards only to be out of position to block their own assignments. if i'm coach i'm screaming BLOCK your Man.. and trust the guy next to you to do his job.  also We can't run I-Formation because we haven't had a legit FB since Hoover(Tolbert was used as a BIG HB here). 

[Jimmy]

The point is moot since he got drafted ahead of us and we weren't going to trade up.

[Hoenheim]

6 minutes ago, KaseKlosed said:

We could of got a tyrik choen in the 3rd or 4th round, we could of got a Kareem Hunt in the 2nd or 3rd round..

Hindsight is 20/20 dude. I doubt most people were really thinking that much about how successful Cohen and Hunt would be in the draft, admittedly mostly because of their schools and conferences they played in and not their individual performances in college which were both great.  

From the coaching staff's perspective, we hadn't drafted a first round hb since almost 10 years prior (keep in mind the franchise is barely 22 years old) , Stewart approaching 30 and showing signs he's losing speed/explosiveness, and there was a  huge need after last season to take pressure off of Cam after him absorbing so much punishment and injuries. I'm not apoligizing for them taking McCaffrey, I think I agree that in retrospect there could have been better moves made, but you have to remember also he's not even played half a NFL season yet. Especially when you draft a player that high you can't call them a bust in 6 games when the oline has been ass and , the starting center has been out for most of the games, and Cam was ass for half the games, and he like you said is playing with an incomptent OC and HC as well. I'd give him a couple years here to truely evaluate his performance and say if he's a bust or not, and that's just in our system . He'll probably get another chance or even multiple to go to teams that know how to use him much better. 

Truth is, he isn't a powerback , you're right. But he's not even remotely tapped his potential yet in my opinion. Give him more carries and better blocking, and you'll probably see much better results.  I think he should be getting closer to 10 carries and 10 receptions a game , instead of what like 4-6 carries and 5 catches is around his average now, shouldnt be giving him less than 20 touches from scrimmage a game. I don't think anyone not named Walter Payton or Barry Sanders would be even remotely productive running behind our oline. 

[Dragoon11]

Everyone needs to stop being so quick to rule out CMC.....You can see the flash in this kid. He's got the "goods". Yes, he may take a little more time to adjust to the speed and agility of the NFL, but it looks like he has the drive to succeed.....He's very young. If he gains 10 lbs of solid muscle this off season I think the "down on fist contact" will be a non issue.......Look for him to have a break out game soon. It's coming.