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Kuechly didn't have a concussion to begin with.

Jeremy Igo

By Jeremy Igo,
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3 minutes ago, xav8tor said:

Actually, Person may be right. I read the protocol, well, more like scanned it, after this started, and IIRC, you flunk on sideline, you go to the lockers and get more tests. Fail baseline or show obvious symptoms there, you're in the protocol. Once in, there's no easy out. Other than same day return prohibition, stages aren't time limited, but you have to go through all of them.

That doesn't make sense since Dr Joe already told us that symptoms might not show up for days. He's just fishing for more to report on since he can't write about football.

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6 minutes ago, csx said:

That doesn't make sense since Dr Joe already told us that symptoms might not show up for days. He's just fishing for more to report on since he can't write about football.

Days is a stretch. The protocol says watch it for a matter of hours, but with the caveat that symptoms can appear or reappear when the transition from rest to exertion to practice begins, so, hate to say it, but he's technically correct there too. He's just reading the protocol. It's only six pages and not all that complicated...well for me, but he could probably screw it up, but so far, strictly speaking, he hasn't...yet.

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Just now, xav8tor said:

Days is a stretch. The protocol says watch it for a matter of hours, but with the caveat that symptoms can appear or reappear when the transition from rest to exertion to practice begins, so, hate to say it, but he's technically correct there too. He's just ready the protocol. It's only six pages and not all that complicated...well for me, but he could probably screw it up, but so far, strictly speaking, he hasn't...yet.

Being in the protocol does not confirm you have a concussion.

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Just now, csx said:

Being in the protocol does not confirm you have a concussion.

Which I said in the other thread yesterday, but that's from reading between the lines of the protocol. Rather than guessing, reporters, posters, etc. just need to go to the website and read the protocol and resources for themselves. Like I said, it's not complex, it being the protocol. Applying it, however, is.

 

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1 minute ago, xav8tor said:

Which I said in the other thread yesterday, but that's from reading between the lines of the protocol. Rather than guessing, reporters, posters, etc. just need to go to the website and read the protocol and resources for themselves. Like I said, it's not complex, it being the protocol. Applying it, however, is.

 

Joe Person could be correct. He could have received a medical concussion. However he is arguing that he was medically diagnosed with a concussion on the spot. No, he was determined to be put in to the protocol. 

Person doesn't want to report about the situation he wants to keep as much talk about Kuechly and concussions alive as he can.

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27 minutes ago, csx said:

Joe Person could be correct. He could have received a medical concussion. However he is arguing that he was medically diagnosed with a concussion on the spot. No, he was determined to be put in to the protocol. 

Person doesn't want to report about the situation he wants to keep as much talk about Kuechly and concussions alive as he can.

And as much as I dislike him, the CLT Disturber, and the media in general these days, a strict reading of the protocol supports the conclusion that, at some point, he was  "medically diagnosed with a concussion." You have to make a few inferences to conclude otherwise, and unless you were present on the sidelines and in the locker room for the entire battery, and in on the physician/consultant consults, the only reasonable conclusion is a concussion. The flow chart doesn't have an "oops, we got it wrong" box. You pass, you can return to play or be held out as a precaution, but you're not then in the protocol. If you enter the protocol, you failed one or more elements of the battery, and by protocol definition, you had a concussion. Again, it ain't rocket surgery.

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2 hours ago, thomas96 said:

Precautionary...

 

though I do wonder if we kept him in could we have won it? Luke is the QB of our defense and we allowed 2 TDs after he was out. Whatever just glad he's okay.

No our offense was making way to many mistakes. 

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Well this isn't a confusing thread at all.

It's only confusing because, rather than doing the research and thinking logically, critically, and objectivity, people here and everywhere else are either making wild ass guesses, imitating an ostrich, embellishing, or flat out making poo up.

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30 minutes ago, xav8tor said:

And as much as I dislike him, the CLT Disturber, and the media in general these days, again, a strict reading of the protocol supports the conclusion that, at some point, he was  "medically diagnosed with a concussion." You have to make a few inferences to conclude otherwise, and unless you were present on the sidelines and in the locker room for the entire battery, and in on the physician/consultant consults, the only reasonable conclusion is a concussion. The flow chart doesn't have an "oops, we got it wrong" box. You pass, you can return to play or be held out as a precaution, but you're not then in the protocol. If you enter the protocol, you failed one or more elements of the battery, and by protocol definition, you had a concussion. Again, it ain't rocket surgery.

Agree, with most of what you outlined, however the part in bold is not necessarily accurate.  Being placed in protocol simply means the player had symptoms related to a concussion, not that he definitively had a concussion.  Some of those symptoms include slow to get up, neck pain, limited range of motion, all of which Luke exhibited after the hit.  Each of those could be related to a shoulder injury as well, which is initially what we heard.  I'm not saying that the symptoms weren't a concussion, that he didn't exhibit other symptoms or that they were related to a shoulder injury.  I'm just pointing out that, without all the facts, both are assumptions. Assuming anything either way is incorrect.  

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Again, I hope Luke or his family will insist Luke seek a second opinion.

The Panther organization has no problem trotting a player out onto the field until his brain is such  mush that the elevator stopping at the lobby gives them another concussion. See Dan Morgan.

Life after football>Football.

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