Not Shula. Not Rivera's fault.

[pantherclaw]

We lost because of two costly turnovers, giving them 2 scores in less than 30 yards. One of those is on Cam. The other, Stew couldn't bring in. 

That's it. So dispite no run game outside of Cam, and no Luke. We would have easily won the game without the turnovers. 

Definitely not the coaches fault.

[Jon Snow]

6 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

We lost because of two costly turnovers, giving them 2 scores in less than 30 yards. One of those is on Cam. The other, Stew couldn't bring in. 

That's it. So dispite no run game outside of Cam, and no Luke. We would have easily won the game without the turnovers. 

Definitely not the coaches fault.

Those two turnovers took all of about 5 minutes of clock to turn into 14 points for the opposition.  Who was responsible for the remaining 55 minutes of futility?

 

[tiger7_88]

On 10/14/2017 at 8:20 PM, NavyPF4L said:

I love cam and I will always have that man's back. But...

The “tell” will inevitably appear.

As predictable as clockwork.

[tiger7_88]

On 10/14/2017 at 9:13 PM, Cookie Lyon said:

Whose alt is this?

RetiredCommunityCollegeRacist?

[Mr. Scot]

7 hours ago, ras977 said:

Scot, 

what do you think of KC's offensive coordinator--Nagy as a Head Coach ?

Impressive resume.

Good work so far, but young/inexperienced.

Might be a little too soon to think of as a head coach, but the league does do that sometimes.

[NeedSumD]

Ok your first mistake wasn't following the everything is Shula and Rons fault huddle montra.  we are 6 ints away from being undefeated I rest my case.

[Darvinsun]

17 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

We lost because of two costly turnovers, giving them 2 scores in less than 30 yards. One of those is on Cam. The other, Stew couldn't bring in. 

That's it. So dispite no run game outside of Cam, and no Luke. We would have easily won the game without the turnovers. 

Definitely not the coaches fault.

How one sided do you sound? This game was laughable after our 1st drive. We were lucky our defense held up for as long as they did. When luke went out I knew we would loose bc our defense depends on luke alot extremely facing good teams. Our special teams suck and Worley constantly getting abused. If Vam does not put up points period we were going to loose. That is what happened. If you can not run and you predicate your offense off of running what are you going to get? A 1 dimensional team with a QB recovering from surgery and u think he can throw the ball 52 times and not get a turnover? Shula is just not a good OC im sorry. Cam had to be perfect and so did the defense in this game..its just not possible facing teams that are good on both sides of the ball. Our defense played as good as they could..Shula is out thinking himself and dragging the team down with him.

 

[pantherclaw]

3 hours ago, Darvinsun said:

How one sided do you sound? This game was laughable after our 1st drive. We were lucky our defense held up for as long as they did. When luke went out I knew we would loose bc our defense depends on luke alot extremely facing good teams. Our special teams suck and Worley constantly getting abused. If Vam does not put up points period we were going to loose. That is what happened. If you can not run and you predicate your offense off of running what are you going to get? A 1 dimensional team with a QB recovering from surgery and u think he can throw the ball 52 times and not get a turnover? Shula is just not a good OC im sorry. Cam had to be perfect and so did the defense in this game..its just not possible facing teams that are good on both sides of the ball. Our defense played as good as they could..Shula is out thinking himself and dragging the team down with him.

 

Pretty low scoring affair/game really. 

While our running backs weren't getting positive yardage, that is not the oc's fault. Bad line play/execution falls on the players and the oline coaches (we do have more then one). While Larsen is serviceable at center, he is not a stud, and he got abused by the Eagles linemen. 

It's funny you cry about the defense without Luke, but they did their job, even without Luke. 

Without the two gift TD's, Eagles offense put up 14 points. 

Sounds to me like you are like the rest of the masses, with their heads in the ground while waving their pitch forks. 

[pantherclaw]

15 hours ago, Jon Snow said:

Those two turnovers took all of about 5 minutes of clock to turn into 14 points for the opposition.  Who was responsible for the remaining 55 minutes of futility?

 

Our offense was on the field for 55 minutes? 

 

[uncfan888]

21 hours ago, pantherclaw said:

We lost because of two costly turnovers, giving them 2 scores in less than 30 yards. One of those is on Cam. The other, Stew couldn't bring in. 

That's it. So dispite no run game outside of Cam, and no Luke. We would have easily won the game without the turnovers. 

Definitely not the coaches fault.

Neither of those red zone interceptions were on cam

[Darvinsun]

1 hour ago, pantherclaw said:

Pretty low scoring affair/game really. 

While our running backs weren't getting positive yardage, that is not the oc's fault. Bad line play/execution falls on the players and the oline coaches (we do have more then one). While Larsen is serviceable at center, he is not a stud, and he got abused by the Eagles linemen. 

It's funny you cry about the defense without Luke, but they did their job, even without Luke. 

Without the two gift TD's, Eagles offense put up 14 points. 

Sounds to me like you are like the rest of the masses, with their heads in the ground while waving their pitch forks. 

No just the opposite anyone with a brain knows when you have a substitute in any position whether its football, shipping coordinator or basketball, you can not expect the substitute to do as good as the true person that works in that role...khahil been out since week 2 we have had very few yards rushing almost zip sonce khahil been out ..you would think a light bulb would go off inside Shulas head to just maybe dial back on the complex blocking scheme to see if that may actually be whats affecting the run game but know we are going to do what i have drawn up here. And yes Luke is an important pirece in our defense mayo is a decent fill in but he is no Luke and I believe that just maybe instead of 2tds they would have had 1with a field goal..this would have  change maybe the since of urgency Cam had to make all those throws.. So ya losing Luke makes a difference in a Cam where u are 1 dimensional with a hurt QB. After Luke went out they scored 18pts do you not think that Luke not being in the game was not a difference maker.

I would like to add that it appears that we do not care who we play what are there weaknesses and strengths on defense..Eagles have a very stout defense. We have a sub in at center we have a complex blocking scheme . Coordinator should want to put his players in the best position to succeed. Shula fells at that everytime just watch the SB.

[Jon Snow]

1 hour ago, pantherclaw said:

Our offense was on the field for 55 minutes? 

 

Semantics.  So Ron is only responsible for the offense now?   See how that works? 

You see I'm not the type to say if only this hadn't/had happened we would have won.  Changing one or two plays is not a prediction or guarantee of the outcome of the game, unless it's the last play of the game of course.

The team had plenty of time on the clock to win the game but didn't have it in them to pull it off.  You want to pin the loss on 2 plays.  My contention is that there was plenty of time to overcome those 2 plays but the staff failed to put the team in a position to pull it off.  That is the underlying issue with this team.

[pantherclaw]

36 minutes ago, Darvinsun said:

No just the opposite anyone with a brain knows when you have a substitute in any position whether its football, shipping coordinator or basketball, you can not expect the substitute to do as good as the true person that works in that role...khahil been out since week 2 we have had very few yards rushing almost zip sonce khahil been out ..you would think a light bulb would go off inside Shulas head to just maybe dial back on the complex blocking scheme to see if that may actually be whats affecting the run game but know we are going to do what i have drawn up here. And yes Luke is an important pirece in our defense mayo is a decent fill in but he is no Luke and I believe that just maybe instead of 2tds they would have had 1with a field goal..this would have  change maybe the since of urgency Cam had to make all those throws.. So ya losing Luke makes a difference in a Cam where u are 1 dimensional with a hurt QB. After Luke went out they scored 18pts do you not think that Luke not being in the game was not a difference maker.

I would like to add that it appears that we do not care who we play what are there weaknesses and strengths on defense..Eagles have a very stout defense. We have a sub in at center we have a complex blocking scheme . Coordinator should want to put his players in the best position to succeed. Shula fells at that everytime just watch the SB.

Yes, lets switch up what we practice/play, and hope to hell we execute. 

We couldn't even execute what we do play. 

Cam is also the leader of this offense, and has complete command of it on the field. He's going to adjust accordingly. That's HIS job, based on what he see's from the defense.

We would have won the game without the turnovers. Period. Doesn't matter who you want to blame. 

 

[pantherclaw]

24 minutes ago, Jon Snow said:

Semantics.  So Ron is only responsible for the offense now?   See how that works? 

You see I'm not the type to say if only this hadn't/had happened we would have won.  Changing one or two plays is not a prediction or guarantee of the outcome of the game, unless it's the last play of the game of course.

The team had plenty of time on the clock to win the game but didn't have it in them to pull it off.  You want to pin the loss on 2 plays.  My contention is that there was plenty of time to overcome those 2 plays but the staff failed to put the team in a position to pull it off.  That is the underlying issue with this team.

Did we still have a chance at the end, despite those turn overs, absolutely. Cam had complete control of the offense. Ask him. 

Football 101 - execute, ball security, and limit your mistakes, and you will win games. 

Sorry that I'm not jumping on the bash Shula bandwagon, especially when it's not needed. 

You guys got that covered.