Not Shula. Not Rivera's fault.

[ncfan]

10 hours ago, TheRed said:

The cringe in this thread is too strong.

People that blame Cam for the loss while somehow acting like he hasn't been singlehandedly winning games for us the last 7 years are just doofuses not worth conversing with.

This and he has single handedly kept Shula a job.

When someone say they cant put the blame on Shula is absolutely clueless.

Next to last possesion: 

After going 4 of 5 on shorter mid throws helping (along with a defensive PI) get us down to the 40, with 3 min left.  He the proceeds to draw up 3 Deep passes as if we were

A. Down 2 possesions, had to score quick and kick a onsides kick

B. Less than :30 on the clock.

He throws 3 Long passes to the endzone, One where the RB was 40 yards downfield in the endzone going up for a catch

Yes we have seen now that some guys ran bad routes that helped cause the int.  But it is still inexcusable to even have those guys running those routes 30+ yards down field in that situation.

 

And heck where was those long throws at the end of the first half if he wanted to draw them up.  You pull the kicker afraid he cant make the FG (by the way had he made that it wouldve been a 2 point game at the end and only require a Fg for the win).  Last play what do you do, hail mary to the endzone.  NOOOOOooooo, you draw up a 15 yard crossing pattern to Funchess, with no oppoetunity to score.  

 

Last drive.

Defense held up 

Cam throws a couple short passes (2 of 3 by the again on that drive).  So now your at the Philly 48, 1:30 left.  You get the first down, drive goes on.  You dont, Game Over.

You have a 6'5 250 QB, and ONE Yard.  What do you do.......well you know..Throw a pass.  

Its incomplete, now your faced with 4th down, 1 yard to gain or games over.  What do you do, well every other cordinator in football NFL down to the highschool would call the sneak in that secnario.  So what do we do.....PASS. incomplete, game over.....we had 2 shots, our coach blew it.

 

Anyone who thinks those last 2 drives were well drawn up obviously believe the Wilson throw at the 1 at the Superbowl was the most well drawn up play in superbowl history as well.

 

 

 

There's a reason Shula, the guy who was the OC coaching the #1 offense in the NFL by a wide margin in 2015........didnt even get a sniff of a phone call for a interview for the multiple HC job openings.   This team has a ton of talent but is just being held hostage

[Johnny Rockets]

I closely re watched the game Friday and what I saw was a team that had some bad execution by players at the wrong times. It certainly wasn't on Cam, and I didn't see the god awful,  fire Shula play calling either, although neither are completely  blameless. 

It was a just a game that was lost by the team in general which happens to all teams throughout the year. There's no fun in that though...we need outrage!!!!

[Johnny Rockets]

I closely re watched the game Friday and what I saw was a team that had some bad execution by players at the wrong times. It certainly wasn't on Cam, and I didn't see the god awful,  fire Shula play calling either, although neither are completely  blameless. 

It was a just a game that was lost by the team in general which happens to all teams throughout the year. There's no fun in that though...we need outrage!!!!

[Darvinsun]

I just do not understand this coaching staff...Cam made something out of nothing majority of the game..Shula second half playcalling was ok until we got behind. We had no one out there with speed to even do the long bombs plus after Cams td short dive his arm was hurt..We had plenty of time to do the short plays and march in to get td. Again qb sneak would have been a good idea on the 3rd and 4th 1 instead using Cams hurt shoulder go with the strength he had used well all night his legs.  Playcalling in crucial times is Shula major flaw he is a direct reflection of the head coach..playing a team that can score with your 1 field genral out and other one hurt. Playcalling has to be better..I knew we would loose when Luke went out... Bc teams are starting to see that Mc Caffery is not a true threat all this hype about him and he he is just a catching rb who dances and gets tackled. I would rather see CAP with some playing time maybe he could provide some type of spark to this poor running team.

[CRA]

13 hours ago, NavyPF4L said:

You all won't like this at all. I don't care. Not going to lie in the first quarter with the way we started off on offense and defense. I turned to my wife and said fug. We are going to lose this damn game. We definitely were not prepared.

 

 

HOWEVER. Even with saying that. I just watched our last 2 drives where we had PLENTY of drives and PLENTY of options to win that damn game. We were in position not ONCE but TWICE to win this game. Even without Luke on defense. The defense stepped up and made a stop even when the Eagles ran that hey lets hate on Shula offense. Looked real damn familiar didn't it. 

 

I will tell you what lost us this game and I hate to say it. Call it on play calling all ya want but overall the decisions ON the field are made by ONE person and one person only. Look no further than Cameron Newton. He had the chance to win that damn game and completely effed it away. I remind you fugs I have 3 different #1 jerseys all of the ridiculously expensive types. 

 

I love cam and I will always have that man's back. But the decisions and the throws and pure on the field awareness completely let us down Thursday night and he was put in a position to win that game and further cement his legacy amongst the greats. He failed us. Even when our backs were against the wall and all signs pointed to nope. We still could have and should have won that game. 

He will bounce back but stop it with all of the secondary same old same blame game and take it for what it was. 

 

Cam was asked to make a career high number in pass attempts....as he recovers from injured shoulder and injured it again before the last 2 drives.

I think given that scenario....it points to a lot of people that let us down not named Cam.  We continue to ask him to be everything and make up for everything else that goes wrong.  No excuse for the run....coaching and OL deserves tons of blame.  When your run game gets totally blown up.....you rarely win games

[Lumps]

OP is right. Shula didn’t hire himself and neither did Rivera. No matter how shitty their coaching they’re not going to just quit their jobs because they suck. Hurney did not re hire himself. The players can’t hire the coaches, teachers and play callers. The blame for our losing franchise is pretty obvious.

[carpanfan96]

16 hours ago, NavyPF4L said:

Can someone please point me to where KB or Cam or a coach or someone with actual knowledge of the play call and routes to be ran said this or is this just purely going off Tony Romo 

Well, you don't break off a seam route against cover 0 like KB did, it's his job as a WR on those deep option routes to recognize the coverage and run the correct route for that particular coverage. What KB did isn't what a WR does against that coverage. 

[lightsout]

80% of all offensive plays were either throws or runs by Cam. Nearly 100% of all offensive production was provided by Cam's arm and legs. But sure, it's Cam's fault we lost.

[Fox007]

On 10/15/2017 at 9:10 AM, Johnny Rockets said:

I closely re watched the game Friday and what I saw was a team that had some bad execution by players at the wrong times. It certainly wasn't on Cam, and I didn't see the god awful,  fire Shula play calling either, although neither are completely  blameless. 

It was a just a game that was lost by the team in general which happens to all teams throughout the year. There's no fun in that though...we need outrage!!!!

Yea we definitely didn't have 3 hail merrys on 3 straight plays. Then drive after that we pass it on 3rd and 4th and 1.

Certainly can't point to any god awful play calling.

[Mr. Scot]

If you wanted to say "not all Rivera's fault" or "not all Shula's fault", you could make a valid argument. 

There are legitimately other issues, and yes, Newton has flaws.

But the reality is that Shula and Rivera are a major part of the problem, and both need to go.

 

[Darvinsun]

Cam is playing hurt..was improving until he said *** this and got determined to try to win the game just by his pure will.. he hurt his shoulder and pure will just did not match with his shoulder.. he was tired and hurt..this was the game  am had to be Superman but too much happened.  We couldnt run the ball and wrs were not catching the ball, running bad routes, and people just not being blocked. Its a wonder that the game wasas close as it was. I knew we would loose when luke went out. How we were playing and the calls rivera made before halftime revealed it. Rivera and Shula are suppose to have the knowledge and the pkayers execute..but from what i see is constant bad decisions at the wrong time from both...Cam may make a poor desicion but he can make up for his poor plays on the field. The defense stops the opponent and Cam nakes an excellent read and scores a TD. That poor decision is not that bad..But when a coach decides to make a QB throw for a first on a hurt throwing shoulder who normally gets 1st downs vy using his pure will in running.. It shows tremendously that our Coaches blow cock and they do that wrong as well.

[Carolina Cajun]

Yea, cam was the biggest reason we lost...I mean, let's ignore that he accounted for an astounding 97% of our offense and had 2 turnovers due to either a lucky tip or dropped pass while getting his head kicked in because of a crappy o-line...yea, fug that guy.  Sometimes I swear I feel like we don't deserve nice things...

[Shotgun]

On 10/14/2017 at 9:03 PM, Castavar said:

Without Cam, this is a 4 win team. I can't imagine ANY other QB that would succeed in this same situation. Having to literally be our only viable running option AND having to complete insane passes to lumbering WR's that can barely get separation consistently. Oh, and did I mention having to work with only 2 downs because our OC finds it funny to waste 1st down every drive?

We wouldn't win a single game without Cam.

[ras977]

On 10/16/2017 at 12:33 PM, Mr. Scot said:

If you wanted to say "not all Rivera's fault" or "not all Shula's fault", you could make a valid argument. 

There are legitimately other issues, and yes, Newton has flaws.

But the reality is that Shula and Rivera are a major part of the problem, and both need to go.

 

Scot, 

what do you think of KC's offensive coordinator--Nagy as a Head Coach ?

Impressive resume.